Israelis aren’t walled in and prevented from leaving like Palestinians are in Gaza.

Israelis have no practical excuse to continue their occupation, especially when everyone is forced to serve in the IDF to actively aid the occupation rather than just passively.

Hope you’re acting ironic by saying that you can commit a genocide, put your gun over the fireplace you murdered a family to steal, and suddenly not be a valid target.

It doesn’t matter if you put your gun down as a settler colonizer. You’re still actively engaging in the genocide. You are still a valid target.

And the objective of any just war is to expel you.

Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.

Get on a plane and go home. No one’s stopping you. That’s your opportunity.

No, but all Israelis that are zionists maybe.

Zionists are not Jewish people, they are actually against Judaism.

I believe it’s the Talmud that says Israel cannot exist until the messiah returns. This is why you have many religious Jews in the US against the state of Israel.

Zionists are the one and only antisemites.

Blaming the government in power and those who put them in power for the actions taken by the government is totally reasonable.

You’re suggesting well “what about a hypothetical government that doesn’t exist huh?”. That doesn’t matter. They don’t exist. Blame the government

The majority of Israelis supports the genocide of the Palestinians according to surveys and more than half of jewish Israelis support attacking Iran even without US support.

I mean if a candidate is the “Hello, I am literally hitler” candidate and you vote for them, maybe you’re fucked in the head?

Manifest destiny said the US land is all ours. Also Hawaii. Divine right mandated by God, so…

/s

Us next!

Don’t think they care much. Or about anything except themselves for that matter.
The most navel staring country on the planet

Not ‘every’ land but I get the point.
Still it doesn’t compare and there’s no excuse.
In this case the colonising is still going on, hence the genocide.
They are not ‘citizens’ but colonisers.
They deserve all they get, what they don’t deserve is sympathy.

Still I would have rooted for Churchill when it comes to the conflict of Nazi Germany versus Britain because I am able to separate actions from blindly supporting everything.

Iran too did absolutely horrible things in the past They sent a lot of children to die during their war with Iraq. The Mahsa Amani stuff everyone keeps bringing up is so lightweight but Western propagaganda is the dumbest stuff.

However, currently Iran is aiding Palestine and fighting Israel and they are not sending children to die for it. So I support that action.

It’s still a good example because as bad as Churchill was he was better than Hitler.

Iran ranks 3rd in the world in numbers of engineers. 70% of them are women.
‘The second class citizens’ is exagerated, and often simply lies for propaganda purposes, like the Mahsa Amini case.
The last execution of homosexuals was 20 years ago, and this was for rape, not bcs homosexuality.

Yes many islamic countries have issues, and these are the typical hasbara machine’s ammo:
“Let us genocide the Palestinians bcs they hate the gays!”

Also your WW2 ‘democracies’ were - and still are in many cases - colonisers and looters of a large part of the world.

That’s hardly a reasonable comparison though is it?

It’s entirely reasonable, you just have a white supremacist double standard.

The allies during WW2 were mostly functioning democracies.

The vast majority of the British Empire couldn’t vote and were considered lesser beings. The US had racial inequality inshrined into law and a habit of murdering minorities. The USSR I leave as an exercise to the reader.

This conflict is a theocratic dictatorship

I assume you mean Israel.

which treats women as second class citizens

Lol, the WW2 allies absolutely treated women as second class citizens, and criminalised homosexuality. Its also ghoulish the way westerners go "these countries treat minorities badly, so it’s ok to kill them (including the minorities). Ukraine isn’t perfect about minorities either, do you use that to say they deserve to get invaded? Oh wait, Ukraine in white.

Both sides are fucking evil and to celebrate one over the other is ignorant.

The British Empire was more evil than Iran by multiple orders of magnitude, yet for some reason (white supremacy) you don’t take this stance on WW2

USSR? You know, the MVPs of WW2?

can’t fire money, can’t print industrial capacity

While there’s infinite money, there’s very limited industrial capacity, because the US de-industrialized itself. The US and Europe combined already can’t keep Ukraine supplied.

I meant more politically and materially than just monetarily.

If we cut social programs at home and continue to send/ ramp up even more billions to support Israel it will just create even more unrest, which is already at a low boil.

We also don’t have unlimited manufacturing capabilities. How much material can we sacrifice without weakening our own access to these resources.

Just look up the history of Israel before it was given statehood and of Zionism. Here is a good article by the Guardian. warning, it’s a very complicated situation, all in all, and this article really gets into the nitty gritty of history. Literally, deep into it. It’s some heavy reading.

Boiled down though…

After the defeat of the Ottomans and their empire partitioned off to various countries after the Sinai and Palestine campaigns of WW1, the British were given control via a mandate by the League of Nations over a territory that became known as the Mandate of Palestine, but it was still mostly Arab citizens, the British were just given authority to maintain order in the region.

During the years of occupation, the British government encouraged European Jews to settle the region in an effort to fulfill political obligations to the Zionist movement made at what is known as the Balfour Declaration. This caused a civil war to break out over the whole colonization thing.

With the end of the Mandate over the region drawing to an end, and the tensions of the area heightened after civil war, the U.N. voted to subdivide the Mandate of Palestine into two separate states: Palestine and Israel

Here’s the long version.

Short version is that in WW1, the UK conquered Palestine from the Ottoman empire. 1922-1948, the British ran the territory, getting shot at regularly by both native Arabs, the tiny number of native Jews, and the comparatively much larger group of immigrant Jews. In the 1940s, the UK asked for and got US help with counterterrorist operations, especially against Jewish ones. Arabs and Jews pinky promised to play nice with each other if the UK left, so rather than continue getting shot by everyone in the region, they left. Arabs and Jews immediately started a war as soon as the UK army left. Then, every single neighbouring country attacked the newly formed Israel, which they somehow survived.

(Missing HUGE amounts of context and nuance here, obviously)

Sing along

Yea, they say they restricted the Jewish immigrants. Yet, if you read the article posted in my other comment, you’d see that their actions during the time period of their mandate speaks a different tale.

Them abstaining from the vote is purely performative, and doesn’t negate the rest of what they did to facilitate the colonization of Palestine.

The british should have stopped the zionist army after the zionists terrorist act against their personels ftom creating the terrorist state

Yep as is the one above. Look into these quotes and you’ll see the history of why the west are supporting this genocide with their actions even if outwardly they’re doing their best to obfuscate