almost as if it’s never been about security but about sinophobia
Lol
I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
I respect the American people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship of corporate overlords that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
Sure, fair stance, but also pure whataboutism.
I was kinda making a similar argument because of “if they were smart”. They are smart. Americans are smart too. But being smart doesn’t trivialize the very complicated problems with overthrowing a dictatorship/oligarchy, because neither government is currently democratic in practice — so voting will not work.
“Whataboutism” is a term used to feel righteous while completely ignoring your bias.
Admitting both contries are bad and then taking a clear stance between them is hypocritical at best.
“Whataboutism” is when you dismiss any bad of any one thing because there are other examples of bad things. In fact, you trying to deflect your bias as my bias is actually also whataboutism.
If you don’t have any logical excuse for the bad thing, then you should stop standing up for the bad thing.
How do we stop the oligarchy ruling the USA without them ruining your life for going first?
Vote in 60 dem senators and they’ll overturn Citizens United, limiting political donations, and they’ll tax the rich.
Not really.
Dems are primarily sponsored by the rich and have to align with their interests. Out of two major US political parties, neither one is the party of the people.
HR 1 For The People Act - written by dems, passed by dems twice, blocked by Republicans.
Before that the dems wrote the campaign finance laws in 1995 and 2002 which were the core of the Citizens United Lawsuit in 2007 where SCOTUS voted with a partisan split to allow any sized contribution, even Hillary Clinton was a supporter of undoing Citizens United.
Even if the DNC isn’t your ideal peoples party, they are the party who can give you the option. Vote Dem.
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No it’s a dictatorship by a small group that the rest of them are not in. It’s a dictatorship that demands the common people surrender all beliefs not sanctioned by the state, that demolishes holy sites, a dictatorship that forces minorities into labor camps. It’s a dictatorship that commits hostile takeovers of neighboring nations and allies itself with multiple other dictatorships.
Keep it a note that having them listed as a Chinese military company could let US put pressure against open source groups to not collaborate with them; very similar to how US forced Linux Foundation to kick off decade old russian collaborators.
That’s a bad mischaracterization. You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily . Torvald spoke in support of it. I’m sure many governments and groups using the Linux kernel and open source want Developers that are vetted. Or can be reasonably sure won’t be forced to act maliciously under duress.
It is not a mischaracterization though. Open source projects can be forced to stop accepting contributions from employees of sanctioned companies, which would include Tencent employees if sanctioned. Anyways, Tencent is not being sanctioned here, so I guess it doesn’t really matter.
Also, Linus was definitely forced to kick the Russian maintainers out by USA sanctions.
Force implies force. If you have evidence that it was actually done by force. Against Torvald’s etc will. Please share it. Otherwise get out of here with your gasslighting.
Any project open source or otherwise can and does restrict contribution.
Saying that I’m gaslighting without even bothering to check the facts is a very interesting approach. USA sanctions on Russia regarding software and IT services went into effect on September, and all parties had 90 days to comply or be sanctioned as well. If he really did it only because he wanted to, why not do it as soon as the Russian invasion started? Why not do it as soon as the sanctions were announced (June)? Not kicking all employees from sanctioned companies means the Linux Foundation is sanctioned as well.
Okay, and? Torvald and many others aren’t American, not subject to it, and publicly stated that they weren’t forced to do it.
You’re claiming, hyperbolically might I add, that you know whats going on with Torvald and the foundation better than those people themselves. And still showing no actual proof or causation. How can anyone conclude anything other than you are gaslighting and being misleading? It’s Mega level bullshit conspiracy theories.
You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily
Instantly disregarded. Completely boneheaded thing to say.
Spoken like an willful adherent of a failed ideology.
Are they an adherant if they’re paid? What about if it’s an LLM?
Yeah, that’s right. I willfully pay rent and I willfully adhere to capitalism. No force used anywhere.
Sorry you said something stupid and got mad when someone pointed it out :(
Damn your projection is off the charts. But I mean it’s what we’ve come to expect from leninists. The childish Behavior I mean.
Had I actually said anything stupid. Then you should have been easily able to refute it. Yet you can’t. You can’t even actually acknowledge or reply to anything that I said. Instead choosing to Make up things or imagine things that were never Said.
BTW I’m an anarchist. I have no love for rent seeking leaches. Just as I don’t for capitalist/leninist hypocrites.
Here’s a list of websites China bans:
- YouTube
- Yahoo
- Wikipedia
- Marxists Internet Archive
- Fandom
- Netflix
- Zoom
- Blogspot
- Bing
- Twitch
- Roblox
- Steam Store
- Steam Community
- Spotify
- Messenger
- X
- Skype
- Tumblr
- SoundCloud
- Signal Private Messenger
- Dropbox
- Pornhub
- XVideos
- Medium
- Dailymotion
- BBC
- The New York Times
- Vimeo
- The Guardian
- SlideShare
- Discord
- DeviantArt
- The Washington Post
- Nico Video
- Archive.org (Internet Archive)
- Bloomberg
- Flickr
- Wretch
- HuffPost
- The Wall Street Journal
- DuckDuckGo
- Scratch
- Reuters
- NBC News -TIME
- Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
- Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
- Bandcamp
- Technorati
- Archive of Our Own
- Viber
- South China Morning Post
- Plurk
- The Economist
- ABC
- Voice of America
- Radio Free Asia
- NBC
- PBworks
- The Epoch Times
- The Epoch Times (Chinese edition)
- HBO
- WION
- Hong Kong Free Press
- Apple Daily
- TikTok
- ChatGPT
- Rockstar Games
- GitHub
- Hugging Face
- Flipkart
- Zomato
- Clubhouse
- Swiggy
- Truth Social
- National Weather Service
- Kanzhongguo (English)
- Kanzhongguo (Chinese)
- Microsoft Copilot
- Telegram
- Voice of America (Chinese)
- Teacher Li Is Not Your Teacher (by a famous anti-CCP Twitter poster)
Fair point, but that means the ban should be coming from Department of Commerce, not the DoD.
Don’t try to come up with bullshit excuses about espionage.
“We’re banning these private-business Chinese websites because China bans our private-business websites and that’s anti-competitive”.
Low effort post
National weather service???
(tin foil hat)
The government… They control the weather information… Satellites… Weather machines… Snorts cocaine we can’t trust them we need to trust our eyes…
I’m sorry but you know too much. Come with me.
Basically any site that they don’t have full control over/can’t buy favor from and has the ability to spread info they dislike, even if it’s something as simple as 2+2=4".
And if you’re looking for someone outside of China to blame for their internet shield, Cisco was responsible for helping them set it up.
And then Huawei allegedly stole Cisco’s IP? Ah, the irony
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I came into this thread just to downvote their lies.
Yeah didn’t even get to number 7 on the list before hitting a Marxist resource. Uh oh…
I can’t be the only who thought the list would be longer am I?
Fuck, I’m saving this f9r future arguments. Love it!
I know this is not a complete list, but what about instances Lemmy? Would be very interesting to have conversations with Chinese behind the great Firewall!
The list is not entirely correct.
From china
Change it on wikipedia!
Ironically…
We should have done the same
Yeah let’s follow China’s lead and become just like them! I support restricting political freedoms and a giant firewall and a social credit system too.
They are obviously the superior system and therefore we need to emulate them.
Hard disagree, censorship is not welcome in a free society. I dislike a number of those sites and haven’t heard of most of the rest, but I wouldn’t ban a single one.
Good luck dealing with the current far-right inthe government in the US and soon in the EU countries though
Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.
The solution is not censorship, but to understand what is causing the rise in right wing radicalism and address the root cause.
That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class. When people are scared and angry, they will turn to those who give them simple solutions and an easy scapegoat. It’s a tale as old as time.
You can try and censor all you want, it won’t ultimately make a difference.
True, the far right has lost of lot of ground since musk took over twitter. Hanging Nazis was really a mistake post war. Giving them parlement seats is the best way to take power from them.
(Yes, this is how stupid you sound)
Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.
I beg to differ. The situation was MUCH better in this regard in Western Europe 15-20 years ago when being openly far-right would get you socially ostracized for the most part, and media didn’t routinely bring far-right mouthpieces on national TV.
That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class
I do agree with that though, that’s why I’m a commie who wants economic security for everyone (i.e. guaranteed employment and housing) and strong and trustworthy institutions (such as powerful, free and public healthcare and education and pensions, and the end of austerity)
Lol they cry like tankies when defederation talks begin.
Every fucking Chinese company is required to be an arm of their government and provide them with any information they request. It’s not even a question, they are an arm of the Chinese government. They can get fucked
Same goes for US companies.
Have we learned nothing from Snowden?
Both countries are acting in their own interests. Simple as that.
Imagine if that meant in the people’s best interest.
Yeah, if only in either of those two countries people were seeing measurable improvements in their lives, approved of their government, and had hope for the future…
China probably have more hope for the future than US right now.
Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).
China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Edit: For people who think I mean “party” like US political parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Snowden released the fact that the major internet companies in the US literally have full time CIA staff and locked rooms with servers
Why is this on a different level? Is it because they’re ASIANS?
The long and short of it is even leftie Americans have internalised American exceptionalism, even if they aren’t cognisant of it. And the right are, well… Racist and don’t want to admit it.
There’s no left in the USA, only liberals.
One government is actively committing genocide against subsets of their population I’d say it’s a pretty big fucking difference.
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Uht oh. Brace yourself for leftists. Prepare to be deemed genocide supporter nazi extraordinaire.
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
In the PRC it’s only illegal to talk about it.
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
Did it stop?
Did you ignore the part where it’s not illegal to talk about?
Yeah, the US is fucked, and there are some decent comparisons to China… But government control and oversight of business isn’t one of them.
In fact, it’s something that’s severely lacking in the US. We have the complete opposite problem.
The specific program Snowden revealed supposedly ended in 2015, it collected information such as who was calling who and for how long. The 9th Circuit actually ruled it clearly illegal in 2020 and Snowden made a Tweet about it in a relatively good mood.
China is a one-party state
I wish you could realise how hilarious it is to read someone comparing the US and China on their number of political parties…
Oh? So you are saying that there are no functional difference between a federation of 50 states, each with individual (somewhat independent) local and state governments, and the authoritarian CCP?
When I say “China is a one-party state,” I’m not referring to political parties as we would understand them in the US (Democrat/Republican). I am referring to the actual structure of the government.
You might want to maybe educate yourself on what a “one-party state” means in this context before trying to make snarky comments.
You’re right, I’m sorry, I really should educate myself about the US beyond the 40+ years of propaganda I’ve had to endure and the absolutely constant, never ending stream of shit across all media I’m the grateful recipient of, thanks to the Internet™. But honestly, I’m kinda scared I’d actually die if I came to visit.
Meanwhile, my experience with China over the last ten years or so has left me regularly wondering, in the grand scheme of things, what the fucking difference is. You both are absolutely insane, from where I live.
But yes, I was totally cherry picking your message. I don’t disagree with you, to be clear. I’m just amused about your choice of epithet.
No worries… apologies if I was snippy.
And yeah, the US and China are both insane… Unfortunately for me, as an American, China seems to be the more stable one these days (and it’s only going to get worse starting 1/20).
What’s so hilarious about it?
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Cool. See number 1 on the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
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Did you even read the link? Educate yourself.
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Cool, can we make the divest from American game studios now?
Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.
The DoD will pay its fines 500#s at a time.
I agree with the US DoD. The large Chinese corporations are owned by CCP members and former PLA officers. Contain them until the PRC implodes.
Given the way things are going, the US will implode long before China does.
If the US goes China goes, the trade links are comparable to the late bronze age which ended when the trade links collapsed.
Given the insane tariffs on Chinese goods and the fact that china is still thriving begs to differ.
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Not to mention I’m pretty sure all of their Chinese office buildings are literally in Military owned and operated land.
It would be like Google HQ being in the middle of a US military base.
EDIT: Although I do admit adjacent the Googleplex building there is a Department of Defense building like 10 minutes drive, near the airfield, but it’s probably there because NASA operates on the airfield.
Oh my, the US military might have to change the name of the list to, “Foreign companies we’re blacklisting for classified reasons”. How terrible.
Of course it’s not a military company, it’s an espionage company.
There is a reason why chinaman kicked out google and facebook from his market…
You know, you can be critical of a government without using racist slurs against the people from that country. Not everyone from China is part of the CCP.
giving you the benefit of the doubt like maybe english isn’t your first language, that word is considered a pejorative/slur in all modern usage
It’s never been anything but.
Naw, it was most commonly used as a term similar to “that chinese guy” which is easy to confuse with racism at a time period where people were generally racist towards the chinese, but the term itself is not racist. There were actual slurs back then they could use if they were about that.
My Grandmother said they always bought they’re vegetables growing up from the chinaman who rolled his cart through the alleyway behind their homes. It’s not a term of hate, but it’s easy to say hateful things alongside it.
The people going around loudly policing other people’s language do more harm to leftist causes than good.
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You are making it racist, it is just term unless calling our daddy as the man is also racist.
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Yeah, okay.
Derogatory terms towards anyone will always get removed, have a good day.
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Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, dude.
His racism was on full display, huh?
Touché
Oh but for some reason Floridaman is okay?
Lol sue the us?
Money vs money, go for it
Sure, go ahead and try to sue the single most powerful entity on the planet.
Discovery process, you say?
Which documents, you say?
What happened?
Shredded, you say?
How badly?
To bits, you say? Oh my my…
Thus proving that Tencent is either stupid or is insulting our intelligence.
