Some middle-aged guy on the Internet. Seen a lot of it, occasionally regurgitating it, trying to be amusing and informative.

Lurked Digg until v4. Commented on Reddit (same username) until it went full Musk.

Was on kbin.social (dying/dead) and kbin.run (mysteriously vanished). Now here on fedia.io.

Really hoping he hasn’t brought the jinx with him.

Other Adjectives: Neurodivergent; Nerd; Broken; British; Ally; Leftish

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  • Are you sure? They’re both unvoiced th, which is what thorn is for if you intend to distinguish.

    I can’t tell whether Old English used eth for those words early on - though the unvoiced quality in modern English makes that seem unlikely. Did we also devoice them? Eth died out fairly quickly in favour of thorn in all cases, voiced or not. Possibly because its name is “eþ” not “eð”. It doesn’t even use itself. (Though, ironically, ‘w’ also doesn’t and it replaced ƿynn, which does.)

    There was another commenter - actually might have been the same guy, I’m not all that sure - who did use eth for voiced instances, to similar controversial effect in comment sections.


  • We have a diacritic in English text already. Rather than above or below, it goes to the right of the letter it modifies and looks an awful lot like a letter h.

    And if you don’t quite buy that, remember that a lot of diacritics started life as letters that were eventually moved above a preceding letter and then simplified. The tilde on ñ was an n itself; the ring on å was another a; and in at least some cases the umlaut was an e.

    Modifying-h may only be stuck where it is because technology did away with the need for economical scribes before they had a chance to start messing with it.









  • You are […] implying that people of (generally) Asian religions need to change their iconography

    That is not and was not my intent, and I was less sure of yours until just now. (This may be reading (in)comprehension on my part, to which I’ll be happy to admit fault.)

    So, let me make sure I’m understanding you. Are you saying that you think that any and all gains from bigoted or unethical sources should be thrown away and that we should have nothing to do with them?

    I understand why people would be extremely uncomfortable with some of these and I even think that where we can, we should avoid them, but we can’t get rid of everything.

    If we must insist on everything then the whole of humanity needs to get in the sea because we’re all products of humanity’s inhumanity if you go back far enough. In many cases, it’s not that far.

    If we say “nothing” then we give way to terrible people and let them have free reign.

    So tell me. Where is the line? I still think that’s a fairly difficult question, even if you don’t.


  • You say it’s a solved problem in one area as though it should be a solved problem elsewhere. That puts your comment on unsound footing.

    As for the comparison you don’t like, there are often only so many ways to write certain things in code. Some of those are invariably going to be very similar to that which was written by a bigot. That might be OK (like continued Hindu and Buddhist use of the swastika). Outright using that which was actually written by the bigot though?

    People may say “please don’t do that”.

    And there’s the rub.


  • This is a tricky one. If a bigot says the sky is blue, they’re not wrong about that. Other things, sure, but not that.

    Maybe we could take their efforts and use it against them somehow. That is to say, we might deliberately use that code for anti-hate purposes, perhaps, subverting the bigot’s preferred goals. Make it so that any gain they might have had is overtaken by their disgust at how it’s being used.

    On the other hand, taint is by association. There’s a really neat and geometrically useful symbol; fourfold symmetry, previously used by Hindus, that picked up an extremely negative association around 90 years ago, for example, and short of humanity forgetting history, we’re never getting that one back.

    If you were someone helped by that code being used against bigotry and you found out where it came from, you’re probably going to have mixed feelings about it when you finally get the time to reflect.

    You might understand why people would want to avoid it, even if it is correct.