Summary
Iranian pop star Amir Hossein Maghsoudloo, known as Tataloo, has been sentenced to death for blasphemy after the supreme court overturned a prior five-year prison sentence.
Tataloo, who had been living in Istanbul since 2018, was extradited to Iran in 2023 and has since been detained.
He also faces charges of promoting “prostitution” and spreading “propaganda” against the Islamic Republic.
The verdict is not final and can still be appealed.
Once a figure courted by conservatives, Tataloo gained fame for his controversial music and tattoos.
US Government: furiously taking notes
What ever happened to those protests a few years ago?
Did they just die out because the protestors didn’t have weapons and the abusers did?
“blasphemy”
Holy hell. How anyone defends these overly religious, dirt ball countries boggles my mind. Overzealous religion rules with an iron fist.
In Poland, you can be arrested and charged with “offending religious feelings”
America is far from perfect, but I can pretty much say whatever I want, with few exceptions, and not be subjected to legal consequences.
Not for long
Don’t worry, thats gonna change with project 2025. Iran was a pretty progressive country before a bunch of zealots taken the power.
I wonder what Western power meddled in Iran to facilitate the shift from progressive to zealotry? 🤔
Sorry, my dude. Take your project 2025 boogie man stuff down the road. Call me when something actually happens.
Action > talk
You mean like the raft of executive orders that Trump just signed that were directly out of Project 2025?
If that’s the case, left wing MSM will undoubtedly begin dropping stories making this exact claim. I’ll be on the look out for them.
“You say I have been stabbed, and I am actually bleeding with a knife in me, but Fox News hasn’t told me about it so far so you must be a just a lying fear mongerer”
Don’t worry, his pregnant girlfriend, who was only pregnant because contraceptives were illegal, will die from complications easily solved other than the option being illegal, and he’ll be jailed for fetalcide because he couldn’t pray the problem away, and he’ll still be wondering where the actions are.
Let it go. Fox News can’t hurt you anymore.
There is absolutely ZERO left wing MSM. It does not now nor has it ever existed
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You mean like how they’re murdering women by preventing life saving health care?
At least this dude said something. These women were killed for simply being a woman.
The action is already started.
I think you misunderstand his point.
He’s saying nothing will change for the better until we actually see it happen.
I disagree.
OP: The thread starts saying america isn’t perfect, but at least they can say what they want.
Reply: The reply is that Iran didn’t start that way either and with project 2025 were headed that way.
OP: Project 2025 is boogeyman scary stuff, stop trying to scare people and call me when they actually are doing something.
Me: They’re already murdering women.
He’s essentially brushing off the start of project 2025 saying the whole thing is talk, when we have actual actions already. (edit: We have every reason to expect more actions.) (edit: just to further clarify… project 2025 started before 2025, it’s a long term plan by the far right they’ve been working on implementing for a very long time)
I don’t believe you know what “murder” means.
Again, someone call me when this project 2025 stuff starts coming to light. And I mean legitimately.
PlainSimpleGarak said "I don’t believe you know what “murder” means.
Again, someone call me when this project 2025 stuff starts coming to light. And I mean legitimately."
I’m fucking saving this shit before you try to delete it if someone does call you out.
Delete it for what? I don’t know any of you people. You mean nothing to me. Some of you folks legit need to go outside a bit more.
I don’t fucking know, but here it is in all it’s glory.
Finally, someone with a brain.
I totally agree.
It’s a shame this generation hasn’t realized that talk is cheap yet.
Islamic Republic needs to be destroyed and erased from history.
With a military coup to install a government friendly to western powers, perchance?
Tbh maybe that’d be good?
(That’s kind of how we ended up with the Islamic Republic.)
Second time’s the charm?
Maybe we can make him American remotely?
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If you think blasphemy is a crime at all, then you agree more with Iran than you do with sane people.
Iran isn’t Islam.
I didn’t imply it was?
Weird way of expressing a sane take, but okay.
Yeah true.
Another Iranian rapper, Toomaj, was given a death sentence in 2024 that was overturned. I think he is still in jail though.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/14/middleeast/iran-dissident-rapper-toomaj-salehi-intl-latam/index.html
Hopefully they both can see freedom soon.
I misread that as “Italian” and it felt a bit weird.
Thought it was someone who snaps their spaghetti before cooking it.
Sir, reddit is over here.
Make them shorter and no snapping needed.
Get a larger pan / have some patience and mix them.
It doesn’t really matter if 30 seconds one end is in the water and the other isn’t while you’re gently bending them into the pot.
Or, get one of these.
(Yes yes, I should clean my kitchen.)
Drop them in and the shape makes them swirl and no mixing needed when it’s a roiling boil. I do often see that they separate well but after that, no need.
Or just snap them.
Use a longer pot
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Philosophy is goat
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Ableist slurs are not allowed. Actually, scratch that, slurs are not allowed, full stop.
Ooh, spicy! *heads to the modlog*
E: Eh.
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It is and you earned a time out for repeated slur use.
They’ve enforced that as a slur for a very long time.
Doesn’t change anything I’ve said.
So you’re saying established rules are flippant? Or is it just because you don’t agree with this one?
Yay, slurs.
We should kill the transgressor to preserve honor.
Retarded; adjective:
- Affected with impaired intellectual development
- developing later than desired or expected
- Socially inappropriate or foolish
By all accounts, religion is definitionally retarded.
“lemme go define a slur real quick to prove it’s valid”
Dumbass
By all accounts it is not:
1: religion is not a sentient being, so it can’t be impaired intellectually 2:religion is hardly developing later than desired or expected as it was with us for our entire history 3: religion is not socially inappropriate in almost every society, and it is by no means “foolish”, and if you wanr to say otherwise it is up to you to prove it is.
You just want an excuse the shove an ableist slur in our faces. Shut the fuck up.
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Retarded was, and still is, used as an insult for those who are severally developmentally disabled. Those who are literally unable to defend themselves. The people most impacted by this have no ability to take the power back for themselves. You suggest they knew what it meant, but quite frankly I doubt, also having been involved with those with down syndrome. They might have had an idea, but it’s unlikely they all understood all the depths and nuances. And regardless of just down syndrome, there are those with more severe cognitive dysfunction, potentially nonverbal, that literally have no way have reclaiming the word. I don’t think it will become increasingly acceptable, I think it will become increasingly unacceptable.
The other terms you used, while they used to be medical terms, weren’t use in the same connotation to target developmentally disabled individuals. That’s the difference.
I think you’re in conflict with Americans on this one. Sarah Palin, the Vice Presidential candidate in 2008 who was remarkably stupid, had a mentally retarded child and really encouraged people to stop using retarded as an insult. Ironically her fame was partly derived from opposing things like this.
Using the r slur as a way to imply someone or something is stupid is associating the people who actually experience ableism with stupidity, just like calling a straight man who likes cooking the f slur would be homophobic, not because you’re insulting a gay man, but because you’re using a term for gayness as an insult.
It isn’t that hard to understand, so just stop. That is a slur and I don’t want to be reminded of ableism everyfuckingwhere I go.
Please don’t use the a word i don’t like it
By that logic, people should just never call others stupid, moronic, imbeciles, or idiots?
It’s a lot easier and much more productive when you learn to talk to other people in a mature, healthy way, and insulting someone, slurs or not, never is. Try leaving school yard talk, like personal attacks, where it belongs, and see how much less stressful it is when you’re not fighting people all the time, and how much more people will listen to you.
Calm down. Everyone knows Websters changed the definition of faggot to refer to loud and obnoxious Harley-Davidson riders in 2009.
That’s like saying “black people can use the N-word (as an in-group term), so I can too (as an insult)”.
You really don’t see the difference?
I’m not saying we can use the term because they can use it as an in-group term, that story was an aside.
In that specific case, the supervisor had an R-word pass.
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blasphemy is the ultimate victimless crime
Blasphemy!
see? you’re fine!
Your blasphemy turned me into a newt
no job, no bills, just newt; enjoy!
Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah!
That only works for beetlejuice…wait a minute, if you rearrange the letters in “beetlejuice” you get “Beltted Jettis!” Which, if you squint real hard is approximately Jehovah… Just swap the B for a J, the L for an h, obviously Tees look like O’s. You get the idea.
But you got better?
Conservatives had their feelings hurt, so death is an option.
Only a couple of powerful monied people will pretend there is a victim. And then there is, usually the blasphemer.
Like punching someone in the dark
Like punching an imaginary friend in the dark.
If God (or Allah if you prefer that name) is so angry about blasphemy, why does He risk letting fallible humans take care of the problem?
Simply cause the blasphemer to drop dead. Then the faithful can clean up the aftermath if they wish to appear faithful, because it is less important how that is handled.
Is this comment blasphemous? We’ll see if I drop dead.
I just have to say, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of god if you view it as a him or any kind of conscious figure making decisions for humans.
That’s not how god works, not even in the minds of its believers.
Both sheep and wolves are religious but for different reasons. You seem to be saying that there are only wolves.
However, the wolves are dressed as sheep, and occasionally it is useful to tear off the sheepskins they hide under in order to save other animals that they also eat, if not also the sheep.
That’s not how god works, not even in the minds of its believers.
I wish that were true. Millennia of indoctrination to serve the status quo (political as much as religious) shows otherwise.
They can’t because it’s not believers vs unbelievers, the clergy educated in biblical scholarship know their position is indefensible that’s why they enforce blasphemy laws and murder apostates. Because in the light of transparency, historical context, and evidence none of the religions of Abraham are reasonable to believe.
They know it’s made up, but they can’t stop because they’ve convinced themselves it’s for the greater good to defend the ‘noble lie’.
Or they are power hungry aholes, and/or working for power hungry aholes.
Jehovah! Jehovah!
How can it be worse?!
Are you still alive?
I think so. Maybe I’m now a delusional and surprisingly active corpse.
that would be awesome, assuming they’re all evil, but destroys the principle of faith
I’m pretty sure that the ruse, if there is one, must be impossible to prove
Turkey extradites to Iran? That seems like something that wouldn’t help join the EU.
Pretty sure Turkey has given up on ever joining the EU years ago.
yeah I was surprised by that too, but I’m a dumb dumb, so 🤷
Turkey hasn’t wanted to join the EU for decades.
I’d say that Turkey has stopped seriously trying to join the EU, but that’s because I don’t know what they want or don’t.
My comment was intended to sound cynical, but I totally failed to actually make it sound that way. (I edited it just now in an attempt to fix that.) Europe’s relationship with Turkey is dominated by geopolitical and economic concerns, not moral ones.
After they were refused repeatedly and the last attempt really highlighted how common racism is in the EU I cannot blame them for not wanting to join anymore.
I don’t think Turkey has ever met the criteria for joining the EU
Yeah that’s because of their religions and skin tones. Trust me the racism directed at the Turkish application in the early 2000s was intense the problem is many Europeans think race isn’t an issue in their country despite the evidence to the contrary.
Iran is such a dogshit country. Russia too.
And special mention to Turkey for extraditing the artist to Iran over such bullshit.
Are you from that country that just voted in a convicted felon as their next president?
If they were, what would it change? They aren’t somehow personally resposible for it, and having a shitty government yourself doesn’t mean you can’t criticise other shitty governments.
It doesn’t have to change anything. They can be correct, and I can find the irony funny at the same time. If they hadn’t mentioned Russia for absolutely no reason then I wouldn’t have felt the need to say anything.
Reverse whataboutism detected!
They were the one that brought up Russia for no reason lol
Well they’re best dictator buddies and do the same crap.
Citizens of dog shit countries are the most qualified to talk about others being dog shit.
Which country is not a dogshit country today?
Mostly first world countries are shit rather than dogshit.
I am not. Are you?
Nope. Pretty funny that you’re embarrassed enough to lie about it though lol
https://lemmy.one/comment/15056467
Caught in 4k lol
It’s like, crazy that people can lie like that on the internet like that. Can you imagine the shame? I can’t, because I don’t care.
Also, I live somewhere else that allows you to own guns u silly ass, USA is not the only country with gun ownership.
There are a number of places in the world that have legal systems that are totally controlled by the state. If you go to those places you are taking large chances as you don’t know how much you figure in that government’s agenda at that moment.
Every single functional nation is in control of the legal system. If they are not the state is failing or has failed.
All legal systems are controlled by the state. Uncontrolled systems are called vigilantism.
In some the police and judiciary are extension on the executive government where in others they are the third branch and independent.
All branches of government are part of the state.
Not all countries have the courts as a branch of the government.
Sweden is an example of such a country where the judicial system is independent from the government.
I think the guy you answered was a bit clumsy in their wording of it as a “third branch”, I think they mean “third” as you would a “third party”.
Categorise Xeer then, please.
