Just go ahead and admit you can’t sell games anymore sweeney.
He is funded by tencent. Of course he will push ai.
This is why Epic is losing lol
Agreed.
What does it cost them to make a checkbox and show the value to the customer?If they fear it, they know that the knowledge will make me think twice on buying it.
Sugars and additives are in nearly all foods, maybe we should stop asking manufacturers to disclose it on the ingredients list.
Waste of ink really
People are all gonna die, eventually. Might as well get it over with.
The funeral services community liked that.
yea that’s just playing on semantics. Of course machine learning will keep assisting many different workflows, thank you Tim.
Go ahead with your ML-assisted procedural animations, your ML-enhanced denoising, your ML-powered stochastic mesh pruning.What people don’t want is generated visuals/music that try and pass off as art. I’d love to summon debility to explain that the ruling class doesn’t get it, but they do -it’s a convenient way for them to save on human labor that is also… just too tempting to use for replacing art as well.
AI generated visuals and music are one thing, but one use of AI in that category is giving NPCs actually interesting things to say.
Currently, without AI, they have one or two lines about the weather, or the general state of affairs, but if you can pass an LLM the current state of the world and the player’s recent actions, then run the output through a tts model tuned to a distinct voice to, you’d be making the world feel way deeper than it is now with much more insightful interactions. You could maybe go even further and add infinite mini-quests in a similar manner, but it’s better to start off small.
AI doesn’t have to replace, and the best studios will use it to enhance and add to their art, the average ones will avoid it, and the worst ones will use it to replace art.
And who’s going to be powering that NPC’s LLM model? Unless all you want is a free hotlinked chatbot window disguised as a character? Because the publishers and developers sure as hell won’t power it on their end and if they do you’ll be paying out the ass for it. Otherwise that LLM for an NPC will have to run locally on your own hardware…in addition to the game itself.
So yeah, have fun with that.
And dialogue generation is ALL they can do btw. They can’t navigate a character around a 3d environment or even play against you in a grand strategy game. So, looking at RAM and GPU prices… yeah the novelty of LLM in games will run it’s course pretty quick.
In theory they could offer the ability in the settings to use the NPU if one is available.
Basically the same situation as it was with Raytracing.It’d be a small model run locally, taking up maybe half a GB of VRAM
“it’s a convenient way for them to-” insert: exploit all culture, our past and present artists, writers, musicians, etc. . . The offense is utterly incomprehensible. Its like the billion dollar relativity thingy, where you just can’t get over the relative size of the comparison to $100,000. The amount of data stolen from past and current IP is too much for the layman to ever consider. It’s the heist of the epoch.
Never thought I’d agree with Tim Sweeney on anything.
John Carmack has a good take on AI in game dev too.
There’s a huge difference between AI for behind the scenes things, and AI artwork, animation, and voices.
Technical involvement/assistance: Sure, use whatever tools you have
Artistic: Hm…Maybe. Tell what it was used for and I can say if I agree with it.
Yes, like we don’t have Handmade tags in products…
I dont know about the future, but a “No AI-Art” tag, makes sense to me.
I have seen handmade tags, for stuff that wasn’t machine loomed, etc. But handmade clothing is mostly dead in the consumer world, unless you class mass production methods as handmade… Which they are made by hands in some stage
Handmade clothes may be not the norm but they are not extinct. Dresses, scarfs and accesorising can be found handmade. Luxury market is in majority handmade.
The point is that the label is not pointless. It exist and will exist in the future. I just hope that games with human art won’t be considered a luxury.
I think a lot of what was art will die, you have logo generators and random people image generators that used to be done by a graphic artist, or a photgrapher.
Sweeney is not very smart, is he?
Steam is my favourite multi-billion dollar monopoly 😌
And people wonder why Epic games has the smallest market share of all the game stores
Take the free stuff, give them nothing.
Yeah, I can’t imagine why people aren’t flocking to the Epic Store. Must be Valves fault.
Don’t forget all the “web3” games on EGS that are the future, too!
More info = good.
Tim can suck my sweaty balls.
Careful, his suction might leave you ball-less
If most games will contain AI content, then an “AI-free” badge couldn’t be more important. He must understand that that statement is a complete logical fallacy, right?
It’s Tim Sweeney, he doesn’t understand where the sun goes at night.
Except every tool used for development is going to have some level of AI in it and unless you are also building your own AI free tool you aren’t going to know what’s truly AI free. AI is here and the cat’s out of the bag. There is no putting it back in at this point. We as a society need to figure out how to use it ethically.
As if down voting me is going to make the AI problem go away. Lemmy baffles me. People on here are the most pro FOSS but luddites at the same time when it comes to AI.
There is no going back from anyone this. We are gonna have to figure out how to live with the consequences of AI. We should be making a lot more noise about AI to law makers. It’s coming for all of our jobs now matter what sector you work in. At some point people are going to have to accept it and make the best of it.
People on here are the most pro FOSS but luddites at the same time when it comes to AI.
This is consistent. Do you realize who the Luddites were?
We as a society need to figure out how to use it ethically.
We can’t even restrain ourselves on the usage of weapons, the extraction of natural resources, the usage of energy, consumerism, or cars. The way our societies are working will not give much chance to ethics.
What I consider sad is that we are really getting no option to run it locally. It’s an excuse to turn everything into a live service where not even a subscription saves you because you can run out of “tokens” now. I have absolutely no issue with OSS tools incorporating LocalLLM aids. If people have modern GPUs then they can use local LLMs in some form or another.
LLMs are actually just massively improved spell checks. If you’ve used an IDE with in line error detection, technically that’s AI now.
I do wish we’ve drawn the line more clearly on what “AI” usage means in terms of “this game was made with AI”
Every single time I think about what LLM are I think about this quote from the game Night in the Woods:
“We’re good at drawing lines through the spaces between stars like we’re pattern-finders, and we’ll find patterns and we like really put our hearts and minds into it and even if we don’t mean to.”
LLMs are based on neural networks. They are little brains that have nothing else to deal with than finding patterns in our own logic and can seem to be smarter than what they really are because of it. Evolution has not weighted them with an ego or urgency, but because it has been trained on ours it can sometimes emulate it. But it fundamentally lacks the complexity of our brains, at least for now. It is still amazing what they can do given so little, and it is amazing how convincing they can be with their answers when they are completely wrong. It is a viral form of intelligence.
And wonder why Steam is succeeded but Epic is an AI slop wasteland
Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.
Plus, shouldn’t he want that information to be front and center anyway if he actually thinks it’s a good thing?
He, like the that Microsoft suit, has just enough awareness to realize how AI is being thought of by the general public, and knows it would affect his bottom line. Which is really all he cares about.
Yeah, there’s a solid group of us that hates AI so much we’d do this.
I try to avoid it as best I can. When it comes to art, I won’t touch anything that’s AI.
I only play organic games.
Indeed, I only play games generated by artificial brains grown in vats.
I think it would be helpful to know how AI is used.
It already is becoming a positive marketing point!
At a very near point though, it’s likely going to be impossible to do it without AI involvement, or at the very least without proving you didn’t somehow.
AI is being baked into almost every dev and art tool. They aren’t just talking about using ChatGPT, if your game uses a single texture or model that ever got touched by a machine learning algorithm, you’re using AI.
As long as AI doesn’t take away our hands, it’ll always be perfectly possible to draw our own art, compose our own music and write our own code. And especially in the open-source space, there’s plenty of creative software not jumping on the AI bandwagon.
It’s becoming nearly impossible to write code in a corporate environment without AI. Everyone has AI auto complete at the minimum, and AI code generation is at a point where it’s at least even with an entry level dev.
I’m sure that’s the case at some companies, but where I work, I can freely choose which tools I use for coding and whether or not to use AI, despite one of my bosses being obsessed with it.
This is true. My company heavily pushes employees to use AI to write software
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