Waaay back in 2002 a mate of mine very drunkenly espoused his theory that WWIII was going to be caused by Israel because “that Netanyahu cunt is a fucking maniac”
Nailed it, Pete.
Israel’s actions in the past couple years have all seemed like sorta a desperate attempt to leverage the US Hegemony that’s protected them, before the US buckles.
Sorta like imagine a kid in Grade 1 who’s a total racist bully to his classmates. But the kid has an older brother in grade 6 who has no issue beating the shit outta any Grade 1 kid who fights back. When the older brother nears the transition to middle school – at which point the younger will lose his protection – the younger brother starts instigating like crazy, to try and establish dominance while still protected.
I mean, there’s also the whole “Netanyahu goes to prison if he doesn’t have a war going on” thing.
Honestly, I’m kinda surprised he waited this long.
hopefully it’s a swan song
DOGE, we found some waste
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not making the best case for “right to exist”
What case can you make for a religious supremacist ethnostate where they shoot children in the knees for sport?
Are you talking about Iran or Israel?
Israel
You should look up what your dear leaders are doing to their people in Iran, friendo.
what about x?
You’re right, Iran is a religious ethno state and you’re smart enough to recognize that as a bad thing, but when it comes to literal Jewish ISIS (Israel), you have to make an exception.
Don’t bring up other countries I didn’t defend, I’m simply asking you to make a case for Israel to be built as a Jewish supremacist state on land already lived on by a majority non Jewish native population, forcing the ethnostate to genocide them just to exist.
Make a case for Israel that isn’t “Europeans felt guilty for the Holocaust so they declared Jews are allowed to Holocaust anyone and gave them Palestine”
Yeah & as always US is involved in it. Mind you I didn’t deny what Iran was doing, but just like Oct.7th, Iran’s current state didn’t happen in a vaccuum
Obviously Israel
whichever is left after the fallout clears.
They’re at the “right to do whatever the fuck we want” stage.
There can be no prosperity for humanity with such colonies around the world. Disarm Israel now.
& turn it into an actual safe haven for Jews. Because the far right christians will most definetly use Israel’s attrocities to justify anti-semitism (the real one)
The knesset was about to be toppled the night before. He literally did this to stave off government collapse.
I’m glad I’m not the only one to notice this, all these atrocities are just so Bibi can stay in power and out of jail for corruption.
Yes but also western powers aren’t sanctioning or trying to stop him.
That is not a conclusion that can be reached from: Israel government almost devolves but is saved by a vote to bomb a foreign nation explicitly to piss off Trump and detail his negotiations with Iran?
Israeli society is sick and genocidal, “Bibi” (why are you using the fascist’s favorite pet name btw? Leave they for the fascists) is not the sole problem.
Bibbi needs to continue Israel’s war so he stays out of prison. Dude is fuckex if that ever happens. Good luck getting their neighbors to help shooting down shit that is inevitably coming their way.
Will he go to prison? Seems like the majority of Israelis approve of what he’s doing.
He is awaiting corruption and bribery charges that they have him dead to rights on.
Trump is a convicted felon, yet there was/is no political will to imprison him. The ruling class doesn’t give a shit if one of their members commits crimes or war crimes or even genocide. As long as they their ability to hoard extreme wealth is unaffected, they don’t care.
I find it hilarious that all these countries call themselves “democracies” yet criminals have a loophole where they can just stay in power indefinitely as long as they continue committing more crimes.
Clown world.
Its crazy how much stronger Israel’s position would be if they got rid of this old, incompetent babbling idiot. Like no one ever would look at this and say “yeah Iran should have nukes” but somehow here we are. Israel’s incapability to effectively govern itself just shows that most of their problems are of their own making.
Netanyahu has been on and off power in Israel over the past three decades.
Looking at Smotrich, Ben Gvir and the like, the even more fascist right is not going to be any better. Meanwhile what considers itself the “left” in Israel is still very much genocidal and imperialist.
Just like Trump, Netanyahu isn’t the root cause, just an aggravating symptom of the issues in the society.
Yeah this “blame Netanyahu” line is a liberal Zionist rearguard to salvage the colony’s tattered reputation. This isn’t one bad apple.
Meanwhile what considers itself the “left” in Israel is still very much genocidal and imperialist.
Until recently I would have agreed with you (other than the actual hard-left which consists of Hadash, Ta’al and Balad, two of them being explicitly Palestinian parties), but recently, and also a few times in the past, the leader of the Israeli Democrats (a new party with a terrible name) said some really based stuff which is a step in the right direction if nothing else. And now they’re trying to take away his military credentials, which just shows that he’s right. But even he can’t abandon liberal Zionism, and a bit of militarism, if he wants anyone to listen to him.
It’s more that the left is small and insignificant, because it has many of the same problems as the left in other right-wing countries: it advertises to a progressive middle class, and completely ignores the lower classes who would most benefit from its policies.
Left-wing policies in Israel will certainly help disadvantaged people, but left-wing (Zionist) parties talk about abstract ideals like “democracy”, instead of material conditions. And citizens who struggle under the cost of living, almost or actually in poverty, don’t care about the type of government they have: they care about surviving to the next day, and left-wing parties have just given up on trying to get their vote.
Essentially my point here is that Israeli society is not fundamentally incompatible with left-wing ideas or policies (leading eventually, hopefully, to anti-Zionism), but left-wing parties have consistently ignored those who need them most, leading them to the right and to distrust the left, effectively digging their own grave.
You are confirming my point imo. The parties and people that consider themselves left are still Zionist. They do not oppose genocide against Palestinians because it is wrong to mass murder people. They oppose it because they see the long term consequences for Israel. They are not willing to stop the settlement expansion, leave alone remove the settlements and end the illegal occupation.
The “based” statements you refer to come now, as the genocidal rhetoric has become completely unhinged and Israel is unable to maintain the narratives even in allied countries. This is not done out of ethical conviction, but to present themselves as “reasonable” alternative to Netanyahu and an option to get back to the status quo. The status quo of ethnic cleansing and imperial expansion slow enough for Israels allies to be able to look the other way.
Anti-zionist and therefore anti-fascists are a fringe minority in the Israel society.
Most of Israel’s senior politicians are just as bad.
And Iran should definitely have nukes; it’s the only way to protect it from the endless aggression of the the US and Israel (both of which have nukes)
These Zionist psychopaths commit genocide and bomb countries without any consequences. Fuck Israel.
Not content with the Gaza genocide?
They need a new distraction
They’re a puppet military for the US. Attacking the nuclear sites is strategically in response to the rising nuclear enrichment and failure to form an agreement.
We used to have an agreement, didn’t we? What happened to it?
Oh. Right.
Yup…and we essentially gave them nukes in the 70’s
EDIT: this is true. Not sure why downvotes
So much for diplomacy in the current era
I’m not any kind of expert, but I don’t think that was good.
The best part is it doesn’t take an expert to know not to attack people.
Consider that rock over there. See how it doesn’t attack anything so everything leaves it alone?
Until the stone mason shows up
There’s gold in that rock!
That doesn’t always work.
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Ditto
Well, that’s some “art of the deal” for sure. Peace in Middle East negotiated, bravo Vitkoff and Taco Don.
Iran has recently been reported as failing to meet its nuclear non-proliferation obligations and this is undoubtedly the reason Israel describes these strikes as pre-emptive.
I wonder why they would want nuclear weapons. It might be because people keep bombing them.
They started the program on the first government change after Bush announced the US would invade them…
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At least they’re not livestreaming a genocide in 4k, if you think Iran is that evil I can’t imagine how evil you must think Israel and the USA is.
dude you really need to do research how evil Iran is. You’re so blissfully unaware. They are literally training Hamas and Hezbollah and Houthi’s — all recorded by independent journalists. Not to mention all of the attrocities like raping little iranian girls to “discipline them” before brutally murdering them just last year!
If you’re trying to defend Iranian attrocities you really need to reflect on your mental state my dude. There are very few organizations that are objectively evil and Iranian leadership is definitely one of them.
Dude you really need to do research how evil Israel is. You’re so blissfully unaware. They literally created Hamas and work with ISIS - all recorded by independent and Israeli journalists alike. Not to mention all of the atrocities like raping little palestinian girls to death to “discipline them” before brutally murdering their families with fire!
If you’re trying to defend Israeli atrocities you really need to reflect on your mental state my dude. There are very few organizations that are objectively evil and Israeli/American leadership is definitely one of them.
Dude you really need to do research how evil Israel is
I did and I agree. Both are evil and if it were up to me both countries would be reformed in entirity.
But you think muslims are worse for not doing as much crimes against humanity?
They’ve had that government for a long time and were content to sign the JCPOA. You don’t have to like the Iranian government at all to recognise that it was not the party to break that deal
Also, Pakistan is a Muslim country which has had nukes for decades without using them on anyone. Being Muslim does not make you want to nuke the rest of the world
I don’t see Muslim mentioned anywhere in their comment - they’ve said theocracy.
To quote from the modlog:
Or because it’s a theocracy based on religion that literally says “God is telling us to kill everyone else”.
Making claims about what religion says means you’re either talking about the religion the country and missed an “a” before the word “religion”, or you’re talking about every religion. I think it’s probably the former, but either way Islam falls under it
Yeah israel sure doesn’t use religion as their justification for the atrocities happening in gaza, west bank, lebanon, syria. /s
People are not able to chose between black and white anymore. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is what they chose. If Israel is bad, Iran must be good. Poor, poor Iran, just wanted to play a bit with nuclear bombs. The decade long calls of destruction of the Israeli state was just them saying “we want to be left alone”! The only thing that confuses them is Iran being one of the main providers of the Russian war. But soon they will side with Russia to be against “the imperialist west”. One side or the other, they don’t know any middle ground.
Now let the downvotes come my authoritarian tankies
Iran used to be best friends with Israel. When the Shah a dictator ruled Iran, that was installed after the US couped the democratically elected president. Subsequently that dictator received training for his armed forces and intelligence as well as weapons from Israel. Israel helped the Shah torture, murder and dissappear tens of thousands of people.
Of course after the revolution Iran became hostile to the country that built up the Gestapo in their country. Then the US encouraged Saddam Hussein to invade Iran, killing a million Iranians in the following 8 years.
Iran is right to feel threatened by the US and Israel, since these two threaten Iran since four decades. Still Iran was willing to negotiate and the JCPOA was achieved under Obamas presidency, but subsequently destroyed by Trump to the cheers of Israel. Israel wants Iran to be annihilated since many years, but it wants the US to do the bidding. Still Iran was in negotiations with the US again, that Israel worked hard to sabotage.
It is perfectly rational for Iran to want to develop a nuclear weapon now, as any attempt at diplomacy was met with attacks by Israel.
If Israel is bad, Iran must be good
Yeah this is driving me nuts too. In particular how people start viewing Hamas as some sort of freedom fighters just because evil Israel is kicking their ass. It’s just shit people all around yet nothing can change cause it’s a team game not a truth or justice one.
facts
Who said anything about iran being good as you put it, have you even read through this thread
fwiw, I agree with what you wrote here. My intention was not to imply “Iran good, Israel bad,” though judging by the upvotes it seems like I’ve tapped into that part of lemmy. My reductive quip still describes their motivation though.
Maybe taco shouldn’t have backed out of that deal last time he was president.
“Quick, bomb Iran before Donny gets too friendly with them” or what?
Bibi will do anything to keep Israel in a state of emergency. Good for his extreme right buddies but foremost better for himself. As long there is some war going on, their cabinet stays in power and him out of jail for his fraud conviction. Him and his Zionist extremists are cancer for Israel and the region.
I feel like the narrative that Bibi is just doing this to stay out of jail ignores that the majority of Israeli’s approve of what he’s doing and would not seek a jail term for him, let alone the fact that the rest of the Israeli government would not prosecute. I’d be glad to be wrong, but it feels like blaming one bad apple just lets Zionism as a whole off the hook.
Yup, this is all self-preservation to him from the start. Watch him keep this going for a few more years, then come up with an excuse to “delay” the election.
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May I remind you that Israel also (allegedly) has nukes?
