- cross-posted to:
- technology@lemmy.world
- technology@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- technology@lemmy.world
- technology@beehaw.org
You must log in or register to comment.
Meet the new app, same as the old app.
The problem with the American government trying to propagandize us against China is that there is currently nothing that they can say about China that is not effectively the same or WORSE in the United States.
But China spies on their citizens…Yeah, that’s the NSA.
They can’t Google Tiananmen Square. They don’t want people knowing their history…We’re trying to ban history books right now because we don’t like that white people look bad during the slave trade.
But China doesn’t have freedom of press…All of our press sources have been bought up by billionaires who also contribute enough campaign contributions to effectively own all of our politicians so that they can control which laws are passed as well as control the narrative surrounding those laws.
China doesn’t have freedom of speech…The United States is officially banning a platform on January 19th that is used by millions of Americans to communicate and share ideas!!!
But China has massive amounts of human rights violations…Forced birth is a war crime that is happening in America RIGHT NOW. Child marriage is legal in the United States right now. Our prison system is legalized slavery. There is a reason that we have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. It’s because it’s legalized slavery. The 13th amendment to our constitution says “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” Convenient for a nation that imprisons black people at more than FIVE TIMES the rate of white people.
China is condoning/committing a genocide…That’s fucking laughable. Smile and say that to America’s indigenous peoples. Say that to Palestine. Say that to Congo. Say that to Sudan. Fuck it… Say that to ANY COUNTRY in the global south.
But the working conditions for the Chinese people are terrible…We haven’t raised the minimum wage in 15 FUCKING YEARS! The minimum wage is still $7.25 per hour, meaning you could work a full time job and still only make $15,080 per year. BEFORE TAXES!!! With basically no guaranteed benefits. And on top of that, the government is actively banning an app that is a secondary source of income for people.
There is really not much we can say about China right now, in a negative light, that we cannot find some equivalent here in the United States. And on top of that, at least China has universal healthcare. At least China has public transportation. At least in China, they’re not having their kids shot to death on a daily basis. At least in Chin/ they have managed their homeless population. Do you know how we manage our homeless population? We throw the In prison. We take our veterans and turn them into slaves. In China they give them temporary housing and a job.
I’m not going to sit here and condone the awful shit that China is doing and I do not have any desire to live/suffer there, but if you wanted American citizens to actually believe that we are better than China, then maybe we should actually fucking BE BETTER THAN CHINA.
I’m going to miss TikTok. Some of the smartest, kindest, most generous people I’ve met in my whole life, I met on TikTok.
deleted by creator
You actually tricked yourself into believing this isn’t all about shutting down competition to American companies or stopping people’s (especially young people’s) power to disseminate even remotely left leaning views that could gain traction and threaten the oligarchs.
I mean even the politicians who back this bill state as much, so I’m not sure why you think this is about national defense. American citizens are just under as much threat as before, but now they have one less way to express themselves. Ain’t that great. /s
It can be a corporate move to out competition AND also improve security. These are not mutually exclusive.
deleted by creator
to protect the people from outside influence and to protect national defense.
Thats just not true, otherwise we wouldn’t be welcoming a South African who illegally immigrated to the US and has some serious international conflicts-of-interests with US interests control a major social media platform.
deleted by creator
strawman gonna strawman.
Hardly a strawman! We have a major social media company in the US, that is controlled by a foreigner, for their own, and for foreign interests, and impacting our elections with measureable results.
So, obviously, this move wasn’t done to prevent such a thing from happening, just to prevent certain countries from doing it.
you act like it’s the current administration that let’s Elon do whatever he does, but it’s the incoming administration (Trump) that is allowing that.
Our current admin has done nothing to stop it, and therefore allowing it.
Why are all the US Gov accounts STILL on Twitter?
deleted by creator
are you even taking this seriously? did you not even comprehend what I said or are you just blindly responding hoping for a “gotcha”?
That aint a “gotya”, that’s proof it has nothing to do with preventing foreign interests from influencing anything. Because we have a foreign interest influencing it already: Musk.
not obvious, and just because you say it with more conviction doesn’t make it true.
So, we have other large social media networks, that are rife with foreign influence, that already influence the US’s internal politics… But yet, banning tiktok was to prevent it from happening?
Its either true, or its not. And in this case, its not true. The sole reason was to keep China specifically, and it only arose because people in the US were learning about shit that US supports. Which the US doesn’t want.
by that logic, then you’re just as guilty for allowing them to do nothing. so what gives you the right to complaint about it if you haven’t done anything to stop them?
Except, they’re not trying to stop foreign influence. They are trying to stop one country, and they only took notice because of news that is damning to the US.
there are so many reasons why but you’re just too emotional and inexperienced to see them, but I’ll point out a couple just so you can see how absurd you’re being.
And… with all your excuses… How come nothing is being done still? Its not new that Elon is a fascist. And it’s not new that Elon is in bed with several foreign interests that are hostile to the US… In fact, its at least 6 years old news at this point.
But tiktok. home of the Pro-Palestinian content is what is being gone after now. Not the Fascists running Twitter, or Facebook… Wonder why that is? Could it be their political donations?
deleted by creator
Honestly, you’re probably better off without tiktok. Short form video is bad for humans, and it’s much worse if it’s not educational
I’m genuinely sorry for the potential friends you’ve lost, but tiktok was not a good thing… An American controlled version wouldn’t be better, I hope you double down on the fediverse
The Greeks complained about the youth using paper instead of writing chalk on stone.
The British complained about the youth reading books.
Things change man
deleted by creator
Tik tok is banned what a great observation /s
Short form media is still around and not banned via Instagram snapchat and YouTube shorts.
Do you need it spelled out more? More examples? More details?
Can you find a way to be smarmy?
deleted by creator
O I’m self righteous AND indignant? Man thanks for your virtue signal pointing out MY self righteousness. That’s a SUPER useful skill I’m glad only one person like you exists on the internet. /s
This is the third story I’ve seen today that was basically “Tiktok users flee service to other chinese service app you’ve never heard of”
So basically the usa banned tiktok, and now there’s 3 other tiktoks, all connecting the same amount of data for china, just through 3 different services instead of 1.
Sounds about right, From my understanding, they singled out TikTok instead of addressing the actual problem they claim to care about.
[Edit, another comment says its any app with 1million users. So now there’s just going to be a hundred TikTok clones all under the same umbrella just different names.]
Honestly, I don’t even believe these articles. At some point it just starts to sound like they are making things up.
I mean, this is real easy to fact check. Open whichever playstore you prefer and sort by most downloaded. Red note and 8 will be up there.
After Chinese spyware banned, users of banned Chinese spyware migrate to not-yet banned Chinese spyware.
I read online somewhere, that you will still be able to have Tiktok. It will only be removed from the App stores. Then gradually faze out the site itself later. So, you have some time to get on the site. It won’t be completely offline on January 19.
Why should I care about who the US sees as the enemy? I was born here and I’m seen as nothing more than livestock for our capitalists, when they aren’t funding and supplying a genocide against poors halfway around the world.
No way I’m going to rejoin Metabook after 10 years now that they’ve gone full Nazi.
Downloaded Rednote. Cool app. Fuck the hometeam that chose to be the opposite of a society. It’s only the home team if it’s a team, it’s been made clear to most Americans that we’re just a bunch of rugged individuals at each other’s throats for oligarch scraps and we can get fucked and die to profit healthcare scammers.
I’d rather have my clicks profit our supposed enemy than us at this point with “friends” like my country.
So, regarding your distaste for genocide—you, uh…might want to read up on Tiananmen Square and the Uyghurs.
Also, I notice you didn’t mention any Fediverse (or other) alternatives. I’m not going to make any accusations, but what you wrote sounds a lot like astroturfing.
If your ultimate goal is to say, “Fuck the US,” fine, but if what you really want to say is, “Fuck capitalists and authoritarians,” you’re going about it all wrong. What you’re essentially saying is that you’d rather be punched by this other guy just because it’s not the one you hate. Meanwhile, you don’t have to be punched at all.
China is and has committed genocide.
The US is and has committed genocide.
That’s not a point in either’s favor. That’s a moral wash.
I’d rather both nations failed, so something more humane can potentially take its place (and revolution over and over until that happens) but as an American, rejecting China means nothing, just as a Chinese citizen rejecting America means nothing.
Rejecting evil empires begins with undermining the one that you’re expected to support and be a loyal cog of. A Russian openly hating America or a Chinese person openly hating Russia is indistinguishable from patriotism/nationalism.
I can only hurt one empire materially, the one I materially live within. The Chinese have to reign in China, and the Russians Russia. The best I can do is my part not to strengthen or support the evil empire I was born under to the best of my ability.
That’s not a point in either’s favor. That’s a moral wash.
Ok, you’re either trolling or been fed a lot of misinformation. The problem is about recency and extensiveness, and China is worse on both.
Is your point here that China’s actions against Uyghurs is more recent and extensive than the US’s part in Gaza?
Recent, extensive, and active. The US doesn’t have a direct part in Gaza, China has a direct part in the issues w/ the Uyghurs.
I’m not saying the US is innocent here, just that they’re very different situations.
The US doesn’t have a direct part in Gaza
This argument is incredibly hallow to me.
hallow
Odd, because I didn’t get it blessed by a priest. :)
Seriously though, there’s a pretty big difference between doing the genocide yourself and supplying weapons to an ally, who uses those weapons for genocide.
I’m not really one for Tik Tok, but I went on REDNote to see what it was about and it was incredibly wholesome seeing American and Chinese people getting to interact as normal human beings and understand each other without it being filtered through our governments. Even if they don’t shut down Tik Tok, they’re gonna have to shut that shit down. Can’t have future soldiers seeing their “enemies” as humans.
I wonder if they’re actually chinese troll farms
For those unfamiliar:
The 50 Cent Party, also known as the 50 Cent Army or wumao, are Internet commentators who are paid by the authorities of the People’s Republic of China to spread the propaganda of the governing Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The program was created during the early phases of the Internet’s rollout to the wider public in China.
Who like all of them? Why?
Insane to me that people can be this xenophobic. Wholesome Chinese people? No internet troll farm.
China paying entire offices of people to be friendly, entertaining, and educational to foreigners online would be cool actually.
And those people will turn around and cry about privacy issues. The cycle repeats…
No one on TikTok cares about privacy
he does ☞ https://www.tiktok.com/@mor10web
Not clicking that link, but the mere fact of having an account there means you don’t care about your privacy IMO.
i don’t have an account “there”
i see that you like making assumptions, now, please tell me what we can assume about you after your comment above knowing that it’s false
check these if you care, while you think ☞ https://mor10.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@mor10web https://github.com/mor10
I don’t think he meant YOU specifically.
the mere fact of having an account there means they don’t care about their privacy IMO.
would have been clearer then?
and in that case, we can say that for mor10, as an educator, reach is probably more important than strict privacy
@mor10@front-end.social ?
The number of people in the comments celebrating censorship by our own government while also claiming China is authoritarian is insane.
Both can be true. I’m against banning TikTok, but I also think TikTok is absolutely terrible and nobody should use it. China is authoritarian, and this ban by the US is wrong. I say this as an American.
Why is it terrible? Have you ever even been on it? Most people I’ve encountered that say it’s terrible or it’s brain rot or something along those lines have never even been on it, they’re simply parroting what they’ve heard other people say
Where do I begin:
- China has more-or-less direct control over the app, and China is an enemy of the US
- extensive tracking
- it’s designed specifically to be addictive instead of beneficial
Other SM apps do 2 and 3, but that doesn’t mean TikTok is okay, it means those other apps are also terrible.
Where’s the evidence then?
I’m guessing you’re talking about the first point, so I looked into it and it seems China only owns a “golden share” (1%?), which doesn’t seem big enough to really cause problems. That said, I don’t know much about Chinese business, so maybe there’s still something there. But that’s just speculation, not evidence.
That said, that doesn’t change my opinion of it being terrible, because the last two points still stand. They also apply to domestic social media apps as well.
I’ll repeat it again, I don’t think it should be banned, but I also don’t think anyone should use it.
That’s the thing, the last time the government did something this sweeping without showing it’s evidence, me and a few hundred thousand of my best buddies got sent to Iraq.
Banning a SM app is nothing like declaring a War on Terror. For the record, I opposed both, as well as the War in Afghanistan. I’m sorry you were sent to fight in a pointless war.
How do you know heroin is bad for you? Have you tried it? You can’t say it’s bad unless you’ve tried it.
I’ve seen people scrolling on it their whole time on public transportations on materials worse than the worst of TV commercials, like they were in a trance. I know people who using it for at lease an hour every day before bed, and admitting they don’t know what they get from it, just boredom. From what I know, it’s like brainwashing for people who don’t know what to do with their lives.
They could listen to a Joe Rogan podcast the exact same way. They’re on public transport, what the fuck else are they going to do but look at their phone or listen to something with headphones?
I have to admit, you are right. If there is nothing been stuffed into their minds, most people really don’t know what to do with themselves, just like Montag’s wife from Fahrenheit 451. But there are differences between actively seek something you interested in than going blank and let the algorithms do the job for you. I thought people in Fediserse mostly against the idea of the latter. Otherwise, you will go to Tiktok or something.
Once you’ve spent some time the algorithm learns what you like. For example my feed is a lot of indie music, civil rights, and table top role-playing stuff. Once it gets enough information on the stuff you like you don’t really need to do more than swipe past the ads.
So you have your nose so far up in their business you know exactly what app they’re watching and what type of materials they’re consuming? I’m going to wager none of the things that you just claimed you’ve ever witnessed
I know that advertisers love that TikTok knows when a user desires your product. I wonder why they can target you so well? All state sponsored social media, X and Meta and company as well as TikTok, should be avoided if you don’t want corporations and capitalists and authoritarians having that much information about you. If you hate corporations trying to sell you things, maybe don’t use a dopamine and social habit tracking app that’s designed to sell ads to play on your fears
I have never received targeted advertising on tiktok. I can’t remember the last time I had seen an ad on there.
oh bless your heart 😌
Apologies for the southern passive aggressiveness, but I believe you may not notice how much content is an ad
censorship??? there are a ton of other apps that do the same. China censors people and created a credit # for them to punish them if they dont act they way the gov wants you to act. What are u on about?
Says the person that is clueless on the Chinese credit system
Tell me how great tik tok is and how great the chinese credit system is…. Pls
It’s no one’s job but your own to filter through propaganda. And everything you’ve claimed is propaganda.
Bye tik tok
It’s not going anywhere
You must have a lot invested in that particular shitposting app.
You don’t have to attach yourself to everything you enjoy. It’s okay to leave yourself some wiggle rook to learn and grow.
Tiktok = brain rot
Omg china has a credit # for their people? Thats evil! Good thing we dont have a Credit Score in the freedom country. And yeah its not censorship if you can get around it! Especially if its shutting people’s communication down for our freedom and safety 😎🦅🇺🇸
Ours is an actual credit system based on money not theirs… they want to control and brainwash you and I gotta say they are doing an amazing job! In a few days this app will be gone hopefully! Also if it was about money they would have sold it they didn’t cause they know its a tool they need to keep brainwashing people.
You clearly dont even know what their system is. Their only “credit system” is the sesame seed thing that two of the big companies use its not a government thing punishing you for wrongthink. Also to think we’re not brainwashed in the US is ridiculous.
America and China are the two most propagandized countries but at least they have the excuse of not being the most powerful country for the last century while still actively committing multiple genocides and denying their citizens healthcare or housing.
You live in china? If not you should move there!
Why don’t you go on rednote and ask them about social credit? They have a search function where you can see other posts tagged as much.
Google works better!
Instead of asking chinese people living in china about a system which supposedly exists in China, you’d rather just keep listening to western propaganda?
It just works better… you know what I asked it??? Well here is the answer - * TikTok may be banned in the U.S. by the end of this weekend.
Aww man, the government here won’t let me use the reeducation of undesirables as a smokescreen to produce fast fashion in my chattel-slavery styled sweat-shops :(
Wah wahh
Are they banning temu?
“NOOOO the foreign man who’s been fucking me is gone, I MUST find a new foreign man to fuck me or I will die!” -Idiot humans
foreign man
Why „foreign man”? Why not „Capitalist”? Or „Megacorporation”?
Foreign people are not the only ones who are fucking you over.
Why „foreign man”? Why not „Capitalist”? Or „Megacorporation”?
In this specific case, the man fucking them over is banned because it’s foreign. The position of domestic man fucking them over is not vacant so they only need to find a replacement for the position of foreign man fucking them over.
OK then, foreign communist megacorporation & government
Communist mega corporation and government? What strain is that
The China kind.
“We may disclose any of the Information We Collect to respond to subpoenas, court orders, legal process, law enforcement requests, legal claims, or government inquiries, and to protect and defend the rights, interests, safety, and security of the Platform, our affiliates, users, or the public. We may also share any of the Information We Collect to enforce any terms applicable to the Platform, to exercise or defend any legal claims, and comply with any applicable law.”
Wow, a very normal, and widespread TOS part. Which almost EVERY SINGLE COMPANY has. And whatever yammer yer were doing with “communist mega corporation” is also very strange. I hope for the better of yer.
No.
Many companies in the western world will not freely give your information to law enforcement and will even actively fight it. We saw that with apple, we saw that with signal and specifically in germany, we had some other smaller profile cases that have fought law enforcement.
In China, companies are forced to give the government free access to all of its information without any subpoena or anything needed. Which is why many western companies can’t do business in china themselves without having a Chinese partner company that handles it for them (Blizzard needed NetEase, for example)
Apple?? You used apple as an example? Apple that finally settled the lawsuit where siri recorded conversations and they sent them off to third parties? Comical.
fucking idiots
Why? Cuz Chinese bad? Stolen data bad? I think you don’t understand that there is no safe data. It doesn’t matter who is taking it but your data is owned by someone. If not the Chinese it’s the US government. If not them then you’re phone provider. If you purchase ANYTHING, that store is collecting your data.
People keep making this argument comparing TikTok to American social media companies when talking about data.
What is hard to understand? Americans are fine with other Americans or American companies having their data. Americans are not fine with China having their data.
It is pretty simple.
Okay so China bad, America good?
That’s one way to look at it, not my intent but if that’s how you took it, enjoy.
More like, foreign control of my mental state is bad.
It really just sounds like unintentional racism to me. A vague dislike and distrust of foreigners. Nobody able to prove the Chinese intentions are any worse than the American gov’s intentions.
I agree mas data collection is wrong, but if we’re gonna be upset, it’s gotta cover the whole topic, not just china
Rednote is very cool. Very nice people and no ads. It’s almost weird that I haven’t seen any ads, even for Chinese products.
Starting to notice all these American apps are full of trolls, racists, and ads. So many people parroting shit they read on Faux News about China bad and about safeguarding their data. There is no threat.
The oligarchy is the same in China and the US. Corporate powers and billionaires running everything. The moment we as people realize that borders are made up and governments are meant to divide us the better we’ll be as a planet. Might even learn something from each other.
Anecdotally my daughter is learning mandarin in school and I’m taking this opportunity to learn some and bond with her over it. Very cool.
In a way I would feel more comfortable with china having my shit posting data than an American company. At least if china has it, there is slightly less of a chance of them selling the data to a data set deanonymizing company who in turn sells my data linked to me to like an insurance company who jacks my rates because I said their CEO should get Luigi’d. What is china gonna do to me if I never go to China and exist largely outside of their sphere of influence?
Yeah, China doesn’t have jurisdiction over me. I don’t have to worry about the CCP showing up at my door to harass me for what I post. But it’s a very real threat from the US feds.
I mean you do, that’s what the Chinese police operating in the United States thing is about.
No, it’s sinophobic propaganda.
No that actually happened boss.
