I don’t generally have a problem with anti-cheat mechanisms except when they require things like secure-boot or allowing me to do what I want with my machine.
I was blissfully unaware, probably because I’m not cheating scum.
Couldn’t have happened to a better community of people.
Fuck cheaters.
IMO, cheating is just taking away all the fun of the game. The cheater didn’t have to get gud to be able to win, and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game. Bluntly, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for these kinds of people. If you suck at the game and need to use cheats to win, maybe don’t fucking play it competitively?
There’s a reason I’ve kept my counterstrike antics to private games among friends and local matches against bots. I have no interest in larder boards. I just want to have fun. Dying over and over before you can even do any damage, isn’t fun.
If you’re a cheater, get wrecked.
Bravo valve. Bravo.
I’ve only ever run macros for mining in a game I loved that had a terribly dreary, but almost necessary mining mechanic. They banned for macros though, so I stayed alert for approaching mods.
I never cheat in multiplayer. But if a single-player game has a “hacking” minigame, I’m absolutely loading up Ghidra & GDB and figuring out how to actually hack around it. Pretty much always harder than just playing the minigame, but more fun.
Depending on who it is, and it’s obviously not even close to the vast majority of cheaters I’d imagine, there are people who cheat in tournaments and the like where they can win serious money, or people cheat so they can look good in front of viewers who pay them money. At that point there is both a practical reason for why they do it and also an excellent reason to get them to fuck all the way off because they’re not just cheating but are also theives.
I’ve worked in esports for a bit and there’s definitely cheats out there that pros use. When utilised well you won’t even notice when directly spectating or when the player is streaming. They’re designed to help extremely good players just that little bit extra needed to become a top-tier player.
Those “pro-grade” cheats don’t come cheap though. I’ve heard figures in the 400-600/month range multiple times. These would also work on the special tournament clients used by professional players.
I used to cheat in GunZ online, but to be fair, I was like 11, the game wasn’t competitive, and leveling up for cooler gear and to unlock new maps was HARD work.
Eventually I’d git semi gud and stopped bothering with the cheats. But it was fun as hell flying through the map with no clip, as a ball of fire that killed everything except other cheaters with godmode lmao
How is there fun.
Huh.
Woohoo to being responsible for others not having any fun playing a game!
Woo! Woooooo.
What?
I don’t know why you would admit this.
Because they were 11. Lol.
Yeah exactly, at that age knowing how to download cheats and stuff actually made you feel sorta cool, not everyone could figure it out (and I know most kids wanted to).
Then realising it’s more fun without the cheats, just getting good at the game, I’d even dare call it a story of personal development.
That’s what I don’t get cheating is rampant in online games but why? What fun is it to cheat I would think it takes the fin out of the game.
and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game
That is how they get enjoyment from the game, denying other players.
Wonder if they are setting up a DeadLock reveal soon and wanted to make sure no one can cheat on it
Finally, VAC is a good anticheat, and that works without running deep into the kernel.
Finally, VAC is a good anticheat, and that works without running deep into the kernel
So this will solve the linux client not working because of crappy kernel level anti-cheat software?
Not all games employ VAC, and it’s likely that a game that would employ it in the future would need to fine tune it for the game in question. (VACnet is reliant on curated data from game servers)
nah, am talking about Games with VAC being well known for not properly catching hackers, and i assume this made the anticheat in games better not the steam client itself.
You love to see it
I did not expect to see CS2 news on lemmy… I’m all here for it!
Will this apply for TF2 also?
I did finally win a match in CS2 after a long loss streak… it was definitely because everyone else was always cheating… not because I’m shit…
Still in like 5k cause I’m shite
I just wish the anti cheat on Warzone was just as good…
And they did it without installing root kits on our computers.
Exactly
userbase is
blech
Ha! Get fucked, losers. Cheaters ruin the fun for everyone, so I hope every last one gets permabanned.
You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn’t have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process
As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn’t a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive
Bro touch grass. Seriously likening a VAC ban with the death penalty?! You can just email someone if you got banned; if you wrongfully died from the death penalty you can’t just phone the judge and ask him to recheck lmao
Judges should be using ouija boards to communicate with people killed by death penalty. “So you were guilty, right?” To make sure everyone gets a chance to appeal the decision.
Found a cheater
Meh, no process is perfect and sensitivity and specificity are often enemies. Basically, in a lot of cases the more sensitive you make a test to detect something, the more likely it is to accidentally catch false positives.
Sounds like they’ve vastly improved it’s ability to detect, hopefully that didn’t come with false detections for people running unusual hardware or software combinations.
This is certainly one of the comparisons of all time
Consequence of sentencing the wrong person to death: You killed an innocent life in an irreversible action.
Consequence of permabanning a player from an online game: The player can no longer play the game. The action is also reversible since “permaban” just means to say “we’re never unbanning you unless something extraordinary were to happen”.
If, to you, not being able to play one game in the sea of many many many games is akin to death, maybe you need to see someone about addiction.
If you cheat in a game, you’ve burned your bridge. It’s like taking a piss in the cereal isle of Kmart, you probably won’t be welcome in that Kmart any more. Or hey, maybe you’ll end up like an acquaintance I knew who was banned from a Kmart, maybe you’ll be hired on as staff without them checking the binder of banned people. I think I’ve lost the plot of this analogy.
When you suspect someone of being highly dangerous you put them in jail even if they are not convicted yet. And when it turns out they are innocent they are released.
A ban is like jail not like a death sentence …
Not a bad analogy, but there is a major problem with pre-trial detention being abused in the US, leaving people in jail for years at a time without having a trial. So maybe not the best thing to compare it to.
No, absolutely the best comparison because the same thing happens with bans and bad moderators who ignore requests and refuse to explain a ban.
More like getting kicked out of a club, you can still go to other clubs.
And you can contest the ban and potentially get it lifted and return to the same game.
shadowbanning to cheater-only servers sounds like nice middle ground to me
Fall Guy did that. The consequence was a lot of videos with everyone cheating.
Sometimes it’s a nice perk if you want to play modded coop with your friends ie those from mods.
Yeah, I have a very thoroughly ingrained suspicion of people treating anticheat with too much confidence stemming back to when I got banned many years ago from an online game for supposedly running a script.
I had so much lag on my dialup connection, that a backlog of all my commands hit their server at the same time, so from their perspective it looked like I’d entered over a dozen commands in under a second. Insta ban, no appeal, essentially lost access to a significant percentage of my online friends that it hadn’t occurred to me to get email addresses for.
I said cheaters, not suspected cheaters. I know that’s unrealistic, because no anticheat software is perfect, but I still want it.
You surely can permaban a cheater, and should. It doesn’t mean the process can’t be challenged.
Why not both?
In the worst case scenario offender can just create another Steam account, so permaban is fine.
I agree, they should instead do a 10 gazillion year temp ban. I expect people would change by that point
/j
At this point I nearly want to “donate” to Valve…
That’s what we call having hundred of untouched games in the steam library. Right?
Can I write them off on my taxes if I never play them?
Become a game reviewer and write them off as a business expense
Gabe needs another megayacht
According to quick google, he only has 4 ships in his fleet (with fifth being built right now), and 5 ships is a very small amount for any respectable admiral.
Only 4 ships in his fleet
“Only” 4 megayachts. Its really wierd to me that gaben gets a pass on excessive resource consumption because he’s"one of the good ones". People should not be dumping millions of dollars into private toys period. And if they do, one is certainly enough. Was a whole private superyacht not enough to satisfy a man? If not, how is 4 or 5 going to? Does he provide public housing to the poor in those things? Is he planning to invite all the steam gamers and make a floating independent country? Why are so many people like this? Where does the neverending hunger for more come from?
He also now owns a company which makes megayachts.
Jesus Christ… Why are people like this?
… Because when it comes to billionaires, gaben is the least of our concern?
Don’t get me wrong, billionaires are always bad, but not all billionaires are hated.
You won’t see Bezos doing anything that helps people, not unless it will line his pockets. Valve doesn’t charge us for using vac, they’re unlikely to sell a lot of new copies of CS2 by making it harder to cheat in the game. They have nearly zero financial reasons to bother with any of this. They did it anyways.
Theyre more likely to keep the skin economy alive by making people enjoy the game. It’s not like they have no incentive.
But yea I very much agree gabe is not the problem. If every billionaire acted like gabe the world would probably be a whole lot better, even if they’d still waste a lot of ressources. Because at least he hasn’t sold his basic human decency for more money, he just spends his insane amounts of money on excessive luxury. And valve actually takes risks on new products, and is content with their store shitting money instead of trying to make it shit money faster like every publically traded company.
Ig buying a game will give Valve + the dev/publisher Money (cause Valve Takes 30%)
Yeah. Go buy hollow Knight, or schedule 1, or anything from an indie studio. Support both good devs and studios, and valve. And you even get a fun game to go with your support. Honestly, everyone wins.
… Does anyone still wonder why I boycotted all other gaming platforms other than steam?
You think you’re going to get anti-cheat this good from the likes of epic? Ha.
… Does anyone still wonder why I boycotted all other gaming platforms other than steam?
what about GOG?
Oh, right, they’re cool.
Along with humble bundle. Those guys are cool too.
GOG is awesome but limited - I can’t think of any modern multiplayer game sold on GOG. Lot of great singleplayer ones though.
Counter Strike 2 has a massive problem with cheaters because Valve refuse to make VAC operate at the kernel level.
There is so much wrong with what you said.
First, kernel anticheats absolutely get bypassed. Second, kernel anti cheats are only a Windows things, and potentially not for long. (Not that they couldn’t be.) Valve makes games for Windows and Linux.
Ring0 crap, is one of the most insecure and potentially dangerous pieces of code you can willingly install on your machine. You’re trusting a company, to have more access to your machine than you do. Software you don’t get to see the change log, or know what it’s doing. And you’re really banking that the people who are writing this code know what they’re doing. Any especially now with the influx of AI, You’re really hoping that the access you’re giving them to your machine wasn’t ‘vibe coded’ (honestly you probably was). And when they mess up, and trust me they will, they wreck havoc on your install. See crowdstrike.
Everyone with eyes knows that it doesnt work anyway
You want Americans at your kernel? I don’t.
I’ve often thought that the cheaters should be simply shadow banned, and only match with other cheaters. Let them play against the other cheaters and see how well they do.
I think Valve should have only recorded which players were cheating for a few weeks, then ban them all at once. Would avoid them disabling cheats now they know and would also make it more difficult to figure out what exactly is VAC detecting.
I always thought there should be an “unlimited class” in the olympics where you can take anything you want. I want to see wildly drugged up athletes competing with each other.
I always thought professional sports games don’t have enough good ol’ gladiatorial bloodshed. If youre getting paid tens of millions per year for sports you damn well better be doing more than moving an object around.
Look, all im saying is any sports game can be made more watchable by giving players a side-armed melee wepon and allowed one swing per play iteration with no redcards. Put back in some selective pressure to turn those middle aged pudgy players and coaches into real athletes and tacticians.
That’s just the regular Olympics.
Caaaaaarl, that kills people.
Don’t worry, you can still be buried with the medal if you win
According to D’Souza, he created the Games because he believes that athletes are entitled to do what they wish with their own bodies
If that’s been agreed upon as the ruleset for their competitions, I agree
and that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) is corrupt and not paying them enough.
Also agree, it’s the individual countries that usually pay their athletes to athlete and uh… Yeah, they get sponsors for a reason, don’t they. I know a few people who’ve competed at several olympic games and just being top 10 or something in the world in your sport doesn’t exactly get you swimming in money.
“And now the athletes are at the starting line for the hundred meter ketamine stagger. . . They’re waiting for the starters’ gun. . . Some of them have got confused and wandered off. . .”
"Oh, it looks Swerving Dan had a heart attack when the starting pistol went off!
That’s going to hurt his chances, Jim."
Cheaters also are part of why I like coop games so much more. Join a random game with a cheater, doesn’t matter too much and you can leave. Play with a group of friends and that also goes a long way to eliminating them.
GTA Online does (did?) this, most cheating wouldn’t get you banned and instead just placed in cheater lobbies.
Rockstar botched that system, I can attest as I used numerous different mod menus on GTA V Online, most well developed menus will let you alter yours (and others) in-game reputation by spamming the commend/report functions.
Spawning in UFO’s an such was the highlight of GTA V Online for me, haven’t touched the game since I moved to Linux, I hear it’s broken due to the new anti-cheat.
They made it much easier to setup private lobbies for friends and crew. Haven’t played in public lobbies in years.
While private lobbies certainly help weed out the bullshit, if a modder was determined enough they could copy your Rockstar ID and use that to follow you from lobby to lobby regardless of its privacy restrictions.
Logging someones Rockstar ID might as well make them your friend, depending on the mod menu they could receive notifications on when you’re online/offline.
Here is a common mod menu that was popular prior to the anti-cheat update, I think they have shutdown now.
From what you’re saying, it sounds like you have to be in a public lobby first, then hop into private for them to get your id. Can they get your id without ever being in the lobby or any contact at all? Currently you can just go into single player and start a private lobby. Idk how the enhanced edition does, I’m assuming it’s the same. I haven’t played in a couple years, so getting into a private lobby might have changed.
it sounds like you have to be in a public lobby first, then hop into private for them to get your id. Can they get your id without ever being in the lobby or any contact at all?
This is not true, if you knew a persons social-club username you could search for the ID associated with it. I can’t find many tools online except for this one no idea of this works or not, I’m sure there are guides to obtain R*ID’s elsewhere.
That’s very concerning. It’s wild it even exist.
I’m glad I wouldn’t play GTA anyway, even older games, for different reasons.
What reasons wouldn’t you play older ones?
GTA is a disgusting franchise, and the content in the games is just awful. Maybe the stories are good, but do you really need to insert heavy esex and substance use into a game like that? That’s called desensitization, and I’m sensitive to quite a few things (not this fake sensitivity that’s floating around… legit sensitivity).
heavy s-x and substance use
Did you just self-censor the word “sex”?
Bruh.
I pulled an Am I The Genius? here, which explains it. I might have to modify that a bit, since I don’t remember how they did it.
So that’s why you don’t play GTA. I don’t agree, but you do you.
To get back on topic, why don’t you play older games as you said. That’s specifically what the other user asked.
Maybe I should’ve clarified something, as the older games were included due to the fact that GTA’s writing, content and mechanics were just disgusting. On top of that, I wouldn’t do any of that stuff in real life, let alone in something like GTA.
GTA is a disgusting franchise
Because of this nobody noticed how woke GTA:SA was. If you depicted the CIA smuggling cocaine and weapons into black communities while the justice system imprisons young black men with wildly disparate sentencing 2025, the game would be canceled, by the kind of chuds who just see “cool violence!”
San Andreas was the wokest of them all, but GTA V is pretty woke too. Your main enemies are three letter agencies, the in-universe equivalent of Blackwater/Academi/XE (legit their GTA name has been consistent for longer than their real names at this point, might as well call them real life Merriweather) and you pull a hit on an asshole tech CEO, a tobacco company CEO, etc. But then, GTA V has also been out for over a decade now.
I hope they keep the theme going with the next one. Show it all as a bunch of “cool violence” while beneath the surface it’s critique of consumerism, government overreach and society in general.
AFAIK why not add a mod that removes these things
That stuff is hard-coded into the game, and would potentially be impossible to remove.
It’s escapism. If it’s not for you, that’s fine.
I’d love to play matches with aimbots.
I’m not good at games. Don’t care enough to git gud. Certainly wouldn’t ruin anyone’s experience by cheating. But it’d be fun to see what the game is like with everyone having perfect aim.
Cheaters aren’t only aimbots. In fact, most of the time they’re not even using aimbot because that’s one of the easiest one to tell that someone is cheating. Most of the time they can just see everyone through walls. But if it’s cheater vs cheater and they don’t care about being caught then it’s not fun or interesting because you just use aim + speed + noclip (I assume that’s possible) and just kill everyone the second the round starts.
