The number of people killed is actually the number of verified dead bodies; it doesn’t include people blown to pieces or buried under debris. I feel like that meaningful difference should always be presented instead of casually simplifying it to “number of people killed.”
A lot of people I ask in person don’t happen to realize the size and population of Gaza compared to the state they live in. When you add that perspective, it might change their perspective.
Gaza is about the same size as the island of Manhattan. Israel has dropped hundreds if not thousands of 2000lb bombs. Think about that for a sec.
I would say 6/6 are civilians. Can’t blow up a man’s whole family and act like he’s the terrorist when he retaliates using the only means available.
This could only be ‘shocking’ because “war” is a misleading misnomer used to obfuscate the nature of the occupation.
occupationgenocidegenocideholocaustNo. The Holocaust (a proper noun) refers to a specific genocide.
Same savage methods was used
You are incorrectly conflating two different things:
The word holocaust existed in the English language prior to the 1930s, and was only later appropriated into the proper noun you reference to describe the Nazi’s systematic persecution and extermination of Jews, Poles, Romani and other ‘undesirable’ minority groups.
It derives from the Ancient Greek words “whole” (holos) & “burnt” (kaustos); and was used to describe large-scale destruction, either literally by fire, or figuratively as a descriptor for widespread ruin.
I used it intentionally to draw the attention to the similarities between the crimes that Israel are now perpetrating on the Palestinian people, to those perpetrated on Jews by Nazi Germany in the 30s & 40s.
Modern day Israel does not have exclusive rights to the term, nor the ability to use it as a bulwark against criticism for their current barbarism.
and was only later appropriated into the proper noun you reference to describe the Nazi’s systematic persecution and extermination of Jews, Poles, Romani and other ‘undesirable’ minority groups.
Yes, that’s my point.
After 1930 it became a proper noun. We’re not speaking Ancient Greek and it’s after the 1930s.
I see Lemmy is filling up with people (not you, the downvote brigade that exists around politically charged topics) who conflate disagreement about minor issues with being on the other side of the argument. Nuance isn’t Ancient Greek either, but you’d think it was given the way people react on social media.
Other meanings don’t magically get removed when a term is used to describe a realatively new event.
I guess it will have to be appropriated again to also describe the Palestinian holocaust. Their plight is even worse than the Jews IMO, because their whole country became the concentration and extermination camp. They deserve it more.
Certainly, but that’s only because you kinda have to kill people (and threaten to continue to do so, ofc) to stop them from living where you wanna settle. 😔
You don’t, actually, but that’s how Israel likes to do things.
There are like 10,000 Hamas members TOTAL so yah if you have 60,000 deaths then BASIC COMMON SENSE would tell you this is clearly a genocidal attack on civilians. I doubt the ratio is even 1:6 because they sure as fuck haven’t eliminated every Hamas member at this point.
In the first 3 months they claimed to kill 9000 hamas fighters https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-war-goals-unachieved-1.7087509
Hamas is closer to 40000 according to pre-war estimates.
Notably hamas being essentially the government there includes clerks cooks janitors, plumbers.
Kinda hard to personally blow up the building where bob the plumber sleeps killing him his kids and 10 other folks and claim to have hit any military targets.
Governments often claim to kill a military target when they kill a prime age male even without realistically identifying a combatant especially where bombing is used.
It’s probably closer to 80-90% civilians
It’s probably closer to 80-90% civilians
Yeah likely 90%+ (90% is what you get when you assume a civilian man was killed for every civilian woman).
Estimated by whom?
the idf will be fuming at this data. they would have expected that number to be closer to six out of six.
Right they still need the charade of hamas to justify their genocide.
What is the future plan for this now? Let’s say we get peace between Israel and Palestine. How can one expect any country to live peacefully next to an other country that has taken a huge bite off its demographic like this?
Israel’s solution: no peace, kill them all
Just like the american civil war, time will heal after some decades or centuries
Is that what happened after the American Civil War?
700k americans died in thr civil war
Yes but my point is that we did not really reconcile. The Civil War’s division has never properly healed, as evidenced by our current political situation.
You stopped killing each others though
Yeah, we built them a prison system so they could abuse brown people legally instead.
Bout to start back tho
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