Summary
Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai condemned the Taliban’s treatment of women at a Pakistan summit on girls’ education in Muslim communities, stating, “The Taliban do not see women as human beings.”
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Afghanistan is the only country banning education for girls beyond grade six, affecting 1.5 million girls.
Malala urged Muslim leaders to challenge these practices and advocate for girls’ education globally.
The Taliban declined to attend or comment.
The word “chattel” sometimes gets used in conversations like this one, and I think we should stop doing that. It’s a confusing word that most people don’t understand, and is often confused with “cattle” ie cows. I mean just look at this definition:
Chattel is a catch-all category of property associated with movable goods . At common law , chattel included all property other than real property . Examples include leases, animals, and money.
TBH I think “livestock” is a better word all around. It means live animal property, which is accurate. People know what it means. And it has the right negative connotations, too: associating human beings with pigs and chickens, as if they’re on the same level.
The f’n MAGAts and the Taliban share a lot in common.
There’s a reason they call 'em “Ya’ll-Qaeda” lol
Capitalists are more efficient than both.
They don’t see almost anyone as human.
capitalism is what broke up gender norms; if a woman or a man presses a button for 8 hours what does a capitalist care?
Haha I’m going to assume the comment wasn’t giving the Taliban or Ya’ll-qaeda a pass with a whataboutism.
They don’t see almost anyone as human.
But it’s okay you can drop the “almost”. To them, humans are just another speculative resource that responds to market manipulation! XD
The dichotomy of the west running a literal concentration camp in Gaza and then taking the moral high ground on Afghanistan as if that is where human life is not valued is hillarious.
Something about the “not human” phrasing is bothering me. I get what they’re trying to convey and I don’t dispute it, but it also feels inaccurate in a way that might lead us to miss important aspects of the situation.
I’m sure if you asked an Afghan man how many people live in his home, he’d include women and children in his answer. So I don’t think they literally see women as a separate species.
My gut feeling is more like Afghan men don’t generally believe in the concept of human rights, as opposed to separate sets of rights for men and women. Hell, they may not even believe in the Western concept of rights at all, and may think only in terms of things like religious obligations and cultural norms.
I wonder if there’s a different phrasing we could use that has the same emotional impact but doesn’t suggest questionable conclusions about the world view of Afghans.
I’m sure if you asked an Afghan man how many people live in his home, he’d include women and children in his answer.
I’m not so sure. I have zero basis to think it’s one way or another, but given all the oniony-but-actually-pure-facts headlines of these recent… months? I’m definitely not certain of it.
you shouldn’t base your thinking on western news which generally have an incentive to exaggerate everything related to Afghanistan and taliban.
there’s a recent video from a non-muslim youtuber called Arab going to the taliban and vlogging his experience, from what I saw in his video the taliban aren’t as bad as the headlines suggest, I don’t really like the guy but the videos are good.
the fact that they don’t give girls the same rights as boys are facts, but there’s more to it than just “girl less than boy” as the media portrays it, you need to understand the culture more before coming to conclusions like that the afghans think of women as subhuman.
I would like to point out while she may be right about this, she has been very silent on whats going on in Palestinian and when she was called out on it she released a vague PR statement. She is compromised.
If the US had not invaded Afghanistan and done such a shitjob the Taliban would have been overthrown by now. The Taliban was highly unpopular in 2001, but thanks to the US fucking everything up, they regained more land than they had otherwise by 2017 or so.
The Taliban was highly unpopular in 2001,
Fuck’s sake, the Northern Alliance was hard-pressed in 2001.
Nothing’s certain with alternate scenarios. Perhaps Taliban would have eventually fallen, perhaps not. In the meanwhile, countless people will suffer under those goat fuckers.
But it was very profitable for weapons dealers so that makes everything OK.
She isn’t wrong. Imagine not seeing half of the population as human, even though they carried you and everyone who has ever been born in the womb for 9 months and gave birth to you.
I live in the United States. I don’t have to imagine, I can see it up close.
JFC can you guys stop acting like your country is the worst place to ever exist? The situation for American women is nowhere as bad as it is for Afgan women. (yet)
they’re just getting into the government, be patient
JFC you don’t even live in the U.S. and you want to tell me that the type of people who would be happy to have American women in the same situation as Afghan women don’t exist here?
Literally can’t be more wrong
Imagine comparing the situation in the united States, where women have favorable hiring and scholarship status, to the Taliban state where women are literally property and not allowed to get a job or education under threat of death. Like actual death, not someone online telling you something rude.
Who compared the situation? This is about comparable view of women.
We just elected in a man and party that want us to be the Christian version of the taliban.
There’s also many areas where women are treated the same in the USA.
Nah fam. I’m a woman living in Texas and I’ll take fighting for abortion rights and closing the wage gap here in the US over living in Afghanistan any day of the week.
Our situations are not even close, and I think you know that.
What part of the USA disallows women the right to go to high school or to speak in public?
I hate the direction the U.S. is going as much as any sane person but it’s a disservice to everyone to say that women in Afghanistan and women in the U.S. are treated the same.
She isn’t wrong to say this.
“The Taliban do not see women as human beings.”
Not many do.
Now what?
I’m sure that women don’t see the taliban as being human either. Wonder which one of the two will survive the other’s inevitable extinction.
Sometimes the smartest person in the room is a woman. By refusing to educated women, they are limiting the intellectual growth and capabilities of their own culture. Cultures with fair, balanced rules, and systems of living, for everyone regardless of race, gender, or any other thing people imagine matters, will have a stronger society in almost all aspects from that alone. Because most of the things people imagine matter. Don’t. In fact, what matters, is the actual intellectual capabilities of the individual, not how you or anyone else perceives them.
In fairness it’s the Taliban. They’re not exactly renowned for being interested in intellectual growth.
Good, we see Taliban as demons wearing human skin since time immemorial.
You mean except for when you guys were training and arming them right?
Do you think the person you’re replying to is somehow responsible for Taliban being in power?
Who is “you guys” and when did this arming and training happen?
Not because I doubt it happened, but because it’s happened enough times with enough people that you need to be specific…
It’s funny how every country is responsible for their actions, except America, cause you guys love to use the shaggy “it wasn’t me” defense towards every atrocity. “It want me, it was that American over there!”
I think Rambo 3 was the one in Afghanistan, where Rambo joins the Taliban against the Russians, which was written that way to reflect the reality of Americans supporting and training the mujahideen of Afghanistan to oppose Russia. Those mujahideen are what turned into the taliban. America has a great history of training their future enemies
That’s why I was asking which time.
That Taliban rose up because the country was abandoned by the US after helping them see off the Soviet Union (and indeed being one of the catalysts that caused the Soviet Union to collapse). They were left with no infrastructure, and the Taliban stepped in with all the religious crazies in tow. And yeah, a lot of them were the mujahideen who were armed and trained by the US. They’re soldiers after all, and new regimes always need soldiers…
The Russians later gave them some equipment and funding to fight the US when they later invaded, but nowhere near enough to actually fight back. It was going to take more than a couple of rocket launchers for that.
Nobody ever gave a shit about the people there. Not the Taliban, not the US and not the Russians. Nobody is learning from it. You’ve got the exact same shit right now in Syria. They were rebels, then they were ISIS and Al-Qaeda, now they’re rebels again. All based on whether or not they’re attacking the old enemy.
The two people you are replying to probably aren’t Americans. One posts in a Philippines com and the other from a .uk domain.
Religious bigots in power, what to expect?
What do hamas think of women?
It’s so telling that in all your replies, you keep going back to how “Hamas is evil” while casually glossing over Israel’s role in this genocide and their constant crimes against humanity.
Exploding buses from Hamas? No no no, inhuman. IDF forces dressing up as healthcare workers to go around unnoticed? Or Israel using civilians as human shields? bUt wHaT aBoUt hAmAs!?
It’s also telling that some 20 days ago, in another post, you wrote
If what Luigi did was terrorism then I support terrorism! Viva La terror!!!
So you do understand violence as a legitimate method of protest/resistance. But you don’t understand it for Hamas or any other Muslim groups. Interesting…
You Zionist trolls are all the same
Luigi killed an oppressor. Teenagers and old ladies that Hamas targets in their atracks are not oppressors. I’m not unaware of Israel, but Hamas does use human shields. This is a fact. Hamas cannot ever do this. It is inhumane. It shreds them of innocence. It makes removing Hamas impossible without innocent loss, and I hear you on wanting thay. If oct 7 resulted in only oligarchs and military leaders and politicians being targeted I’d be having a different discussion. If any intifada by Hamas had desired peace instead of total war, we’d have a different discussion. Hamas is as evil as Israel is, I agree.
So you’re really not even going to try anything else but “bUt hAmAs” in your replies, eh?
Luigi killed an oppressor
So did Hamas. But you keep denying them the same benefit of the doubt you give to this guy. I guess to you all those dead Palestinian people across almost 80+ years of occupation are not entitled to the same level of violence as a random guy who grew up with a wealthy family. You are really showing your true self with this replies.
Teenagers and old ladies that Hamas targets in their atracks are not oppressors
They are called casualties. And they are not directly oppressors, but they are without a doubt settlers of a colonial movement. They are in the line of fire because they went into a land that was not theirs.
I’m not unaware of Israel, but Hamas does use human shields
See my previous comment about your inability to reply without whatabout your way back to Hamas.
If oct 7
There we are. The classic Zionist propaganda coming through.
If any intifada by Hamas had desired peace instead of total war
It is not and it will never be a total war. A war would require at least 2 armies fighting against each other. This is a brutal and one sided genocide carried out by Israel. Period.
Hamas is as evil as Israel is, I agree
I don’t. The level of actions carried out by those 2 entities are not even remotely close. You just value some lives more than others and are trying your very best to condemn people that have been forced to endure a brutal ethnic cleansing campaing for the past 80+ years.
I’ve seen your other replies as well. You are free to reply to me, but I’ve seen and said everything I needed to say to such trolly (read Zionist) behaviors
I’m sorry, but Hamas is not worth defending. I want peace for Gazans and everyone over there. I hate that Jews were given the fucking shaft because of Britain and the Ottoman Empire. There’s just too much history here to even call this simply Zionism, it is too reductionist.
If Hamas dedicated themselves to disarming after and allowing all people to exist as a separate state from Islam, I’m all for it. Go Hamas if that’s what they want. Hell yeah, bring peace to your people, the Jews, the Christians, the atheists, etc. Allow them to vote in your society, allow them all to participate in government and practice their faith openly and without persecution.
They do not want this. They want an Islamic state guided by Islamic faith to rule over the land of Judea/Israel/whatever. I do not desire this.
They do not want this
They actually do. And they have said so multiple times.
They want an Islamic state guided by Islamic faith to rule over the land of Judea/Israel/whatever
Oh wow, so now you’re just going full Islamophobic again, uh? Let me know when you have a reply based on reality and not scary ideas you pulled out of thin air to further victimize the people enduring a genocide
Look at any of my other comments man, you will absolutely see I love my Muslim brothers and sisters. I even say I am okay with the spread of Islam and the Arab ethnicity, I just don’t support it via state or violent means (I don’t support in theocracy or ethnostates).
I am against nationalists of all religions and political ideologies. Hamas is not exempt from this.
A lot better than the Taliban, that’s for sure. The Taliban are a whole thing on their own when it comes to women’s rights.
Fair enough. Don’t disagree on the taliban.
What do hamas think of women?
What does Israel think of all the women they raped and killed then? And what does it think of children too, since they killed more children then any other country in 2024?
Gtfo with your Zionist talking points
Where is my love for the Israeli state? I believe all peaceful people should be allowed to live, and there are lots of peaceful people in Gaza and the West Bank and Israel/Judea whatever you want to call the place. Nationalists over there are not peaceful.
Are you aware that Hamas is the only reason people in Palestine have water and electricity?
I’ll say it again, you’re just using Zionist talking points. And it takes a special kind of entitled person to tell a group of people being ethnically cleansed how they should act and how they should be “mOrE pEacEfUl” while being the victims of genocide
I think the people of Palestine should implement a state like Kurdistan and abandon their ties with Hamas. I support Hamas as much as I support any government who kills innocents in the name of jihad or any other “struggle”. Same with the Israeli government. I support them as much as I support Hamas. I support the people of Judea/Israel/whatever you want to call that hunk of land more than I support any of their governments.
I’ll post my (edited) comment again for all to see since the mods thought it was too uncivil in its previous version.
I think the people of Palestine should implement a state like Kurdistan and abandon their ties with Hamas
And how exactly are they supposed to do any of that while being bombed? Or while Israel doesn’t allow them to leave their internment areas? Or while dismissing any ceasefire proposal? What you’re saying is impossible because Israel doesn’t want it to happen. And I find gross how in all of this you keep putting the blame on Hamas instead of Israel, the one with the money, power and influence in all of this
I support Hamas as much as I support any government who kills innocents in the name of jihad or any other “struggle”
So to you being the victims of a genocide is just another “struggle”. Thanks for making clear to us the kind of person you are. You’re definitely not the victim of Zionist propaganda /s. But sarcasm aside, I’ll stop interacting with you now. There is only so much victim-blaming I can stomach in a day
Is this supposed to be some gotcha that justifies Israel’s genocide? Because what does Israel think of all of the women they are killing? And in Syria as well.
No, but there’s nuance. Hamas is not worth supporting under any circumstance. I believe the Arabs and Muslims in Gaza and the West Bank should be able to live peacefully with all non Arabs and non Muslims in the region. Hamas does not want that. Hamas does not want peace with non Muslims, especially Jews.
Hamas does not want peace with non Muslims, especially Jews.
They do, though. Setting aside the fact that there are Christians living peacefully in Gaza, Hamas updated their charter in I think 2017 to reflect that. It has always been Israel rejecting peace deals, not Hamas.
There’s plenty to condemn Hamas for without making stuff up. Hamas has been endorsed a two state solution for 20 years now and said they don’t have anything against Jews, their beef is with Zionists stealing more of their land daily. And it’s not like Netanyahu has don’t much better; his party’s charter says a one state solution from the river to the sea and Netanyahu is unable to name a single Palestinian he likes even though the anti-Hamas factions have offered to work with him and he refuses.
I’d love any source on Hamas’ peaceful intentions towards the Jewish people
Literally their charter.
Yeah what do you find objectionable in this? Nowhere does it deny the right of Palestine’s non-Palestinian Arab residents to stay there.
Can you point to any of the Hamas supporters on Lemmy? I have yet to meet one.
Look at the other replies here, I posted sections of Hamas’ 2017 peace document which explicitly states their right to jihad and I got “yeah, jihad is fine” from someone. People defend Hamas here.
What you got was a definition of jihad you disagree with. That is not the same thing.
Jihad means “struggle” in Arabic. That has a broad range of interpretations. You deciding it must mean violence and only violence is the issue here.
I know what it means, I understand it means to struggle. They use it in a violent context, it is not misinterpreted.
Please do demonstrate that, because the images you shared talk about armed resistance, which means that if they get attacked, they’re going to fight back. That’s as close as it gets to what you’re saying.
I don’t know, all I am saying is I do not support Hamas. You brought up Israel. Not sure why. I say look to the people in Kurdistan and Rojava. Those are governments who know how to help their people and protect Muslims and Jews and Christians and all other creeds. Jihadists Islamists do not believe in peace among nations and people.
I’m an anarchist so I don’t care for the Israeli state or Palestinian state. States are inherently evil. We can see evidence of that on October 7th and beyond. Heck look at all of those intifadas and wars in the decades before October 7. Thus, look to Rojava.
Also, as an anarchist, yours was a shit take.
I do not support Hamas. I support the people in Gaza who want peace with all people in the region like the Kurds do. Anyone in Gaza who wants to establish a region like Rojava or anything that resembles Kurdistan then I support them. They are not violent. Hamas is violent and not worthy of supporting. The PKK has problems, and they are easily the worst aspect of Rojava. They are communists. Hamas are ethno-nationalists .
It was a shit take because we arent talking about Israel, you raised a non sequitur.
You don’t know why I brought up Israel when you brought up Hamas? Because they’re fighting each other right now and Israel is using it as an excuse to cause a genocide which has done far more harm to Palestinian women than Hamas could have ever hoped to have done.
Why did you bring up Hamas? And if you’re going to say, “because they’re Muslims,” why those Muslims?
Because Hamas wants to bring about a state that wants to genocide the Jews. Do you think they love the Jewish people?
That has nothing to do with the subject of this article whatsoever, which is about how the Taliban do not see women as human.
So how is that relevant?
Headline/statement improvement note for your online discussing:
“Taliban do not understand that women are human”, or “Taliban continue to refuse to acknowledge that women are human”.
Don’t imply a possibility of correctness that isn’t there.
Rule 1 in this community includes, “title must match the article headline.” OP did as we request.
