cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/46449191

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday Ukraine should agree a deal to end the war with Russia because “Russia is a very big power, and they’re not”

  • npdean@lemmy.today
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    4 个月前

    Agreed. But they are not going to stop, so we should let more people die?

    • DominusOfMegadeus@sh.itjust.works
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      4 个月前

      If Ukraine were to all-out surrender, Russia would continue to kill Ukrainians and take territory. Do you really think Russia would pack up their stuff and go home?

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        4 个月前

        An all-out surrender is not smart. There has to be a ceasefire and then diplomatic solutions sought for. As much as I dislike Trump, he is correct in saying that there will be land swaps. Ukraine has to get guarantees and security measures in exchange, without it there should be no deal.

        • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
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          4 个月前

          There already was an agreement made when Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal, and look what happened. You are incredibly naive.

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            4 个月前

            True. It was agreed that everyone will protect Ukraine. Russia was a bitch and broke it. What is stopping others from protecting Ukraine? Supplying weapons is not the end of their duty. They should have sent soldiers to fight, but they won’t. Because they don’t want their people to die. It has been mare a proxy war.

    • FiremanEdsRevenge@lemmy.world
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      4 个月前

      If your home gets broken into are you not going to defend it? Or will you let the burglar keep your own house so he won’t kill you.

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        4 个月前

        I will defend it but once it is established that I am not going to win, I will seek to protect what I can instead of risking more for what has been lost.

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              4 个月前

              Wow. Doubling down on the spinelessness. I’d bet you’re the type.of guy to sacrifice your own family to save your own skin.

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                4 个月前

                That’s why there are no revolutions anymore lol. It is easier to let others die than do anything that endangers self. Basically how the West views this war.

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              4 个月前

              What is the point in dying if it won’t make a difference

              You wouldn’t fight for your family sitting next to you? You wouldn’t defend them with everything you have? Would you apologize to them for not doing anything to stop them being raped and beaten because “it wouldn’t make a difference” anyway? Do you think it would change their view of you if you sat down when they needed you to stand up the most?