The vast majority of Israelis say they are not troubled by reports of famine and suffering in Gaza, a new poll released by the Israel Democracy Institute shows.

The survey shows that 79 percent of Jews in Israel were not troubled, or troubled at all, whereas 86 percent of “Arab” respondents were somewhat or very troubled by the reports about the war on Gaza.

The survey was conducted between 27-31 July.

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    When I went to Israel last time I was genuinely surprised how many zealots there are. Most Israelis you meet outside of the country are just normal people but Israel itself is still full of mentally deranged. Religion is a hell of a drug.

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      If you really mean Israelis outside of Israel and not just Jewish people, that’s probably just code shifting. They know their opinions aren’t acceptable outside their bubble, so they keep quiet. It’s the same way a white supremacist will talk differently if they think any random white guy shares their views vs when an imposing minority is in the room.

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    They’ve been conditioned over the decades to consider them to be subhuman. I’m not saying that they are innocent, just that this is what they believe. Their propaganda is so effective that they no longer feel remorse for killing them as they see them as savages or monsters. In fact, they see themselves as the heroes of the story. And with every western country backing them up and giving them more weapons, what else would they think?

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      A nation of mostly fascists. Zionism is about the creation of a religious nationalist ethnostate through genocide.

      It’s pure unbridled fascism, and Israelis have been indoctrinated to believe it’s okay when they do it since birth, as has a significant proportion of the Jewish diaspora. That’s why the genocide continues, and why Israel is the most dangerous threat to Jewish people since Nazism.

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          oh I see, zionists were going to take the land peacefully, You are claiming that was the plan? Shall I show you quotes from zionists about how they thought about that?

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            Not sure about peacefully, ethnic cleansing is a crime in any case, but it’s a notch down genocide. That’s why I was curious if the early theoricians mentioned something akin to it or not. So far, it seems they didn’t.

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          Technically it’s not explicitly about genocide, but here’s the big guy on the topic:

          As to al-Khalidi concerns about the non-Jewish majority population of Palestine, Herzl replied rhetorically: “who would think of sending them away?”

          - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl

          Again, this isn’t technically a genocidal idea in and of its own (though still crime against humanity stuff), but implementing it would inevitably wade pretty deep into genocide territory, as seen in the Nakba.

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            This seems to be a weak source.
            I have found a detailed article that claims that while the historical Zionism did mention relocating non-Jewish people, killing them was only a fringe opinion among ultra-nationalist religious people. But this opinion has been spreading with every major conflict until those extremists got power in the current government and was further accelerated by the October 7 attack. https://theconversation.com/in-israel-calls-for-genocide-have-migrated-from-the-margins-to-the-mainstream-250010

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              As I said, Herzl wasn’t explicitly calling for total extermination here, but what he was calling for could only happen via genocide. This is why the Nakba included so many bloody massacres (which, yes, those constitute a genocide).

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                People seem to forget that when it came to Nazi rhetoric, the Nazis initially claimed they just wanted to “move the Jews”.

                There’s a reason why the concentration extermination camps were called “The Final Solution” and not “First Attempt at creating an Aryan haven!”

                For anyone curious, here’s a website where you get to guess whether a quote is from a Nazi or Zionist: https://zionism.wtf/#zionist-or-nazi

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          Russia accused them of a genocide in Donbass.

          The point is that trying to rebuild countries is usually a very bad idea, especially by force. Germany and Japan after WWII are very rare examples in history.

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            Congratulations to israel for making the very rare examples list then.

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              What the brainless users here are suggesting is going to turn Israel into Afghanistan or Iraq, not into Japan or Germany. It’s been proven that country building just leads countries to become more extreme, and that shouldn’t be the goal.

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                Why would any of us care about any positive future for the israeli state? read the room, bud.

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                  Ah I get now, you’re pro genocide and ethnic cleansing, just not when it conflicts with your ideological narratives. How convenient that you lack the very principles you harp on and on about.

                  Also make sure to stalk my profile and write a few hundred more comments. That will surely make you less of a troll

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    Middle East Eye is a notorious propaganda outlet, especially on this conflict. I would take anything they say with a grain of salt, including their interpretations of polls and surveys. I personally recommend everybody here to actually look at the original source and the same information referenced directly from there. The survey cited in this article is pretty extensive, and I think it’s worth taking a look at:

    https://en.idi.org.il/articles/60357

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        It’s the primary source of this post dingus. You’re consuming it either way. If you find it preferable to digest the info through a notoriously narrative driven outlet as a middle man, then that’s your problem

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          middleeasteye is the primary source of this post. And if you are going to call me names I’ll flag that and have your comments removed.

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    Remember when the US beat the Nazis? This is exactly like that, but instead imagine we sent the Nazis billions of dollars and weapons to enable them.

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      This is the type of unhinged take that shouldn’t be welcomed in discourse. The reason why people are critical of Israel or Russia or Saudi Arabia or Iran or whatever is because they’re not bothered enough by the death and suffering. The whole point is to get them to deradicalize as a society so they won’t dehumanize other people. We went to bring them to the level everybody else is at, radicalizing ourselves to dehumanize them, that’s just making the problem worse.