Hamas has begun cracking down on Gazans who participated in recent protests against the group’s rule, executing six people and publicly beating others, according to Palestinian activists and residents.
Hamas has begun cracking down on Gazans who participated in recent protests against the group’s rule, executing six people and publicly beating others, according to Palestinian activists and residents.
just a reminder for anyone who says being pro-Palestine is being pro-hamas. Palestinians want to be free and to not be killed. this genocide is not about hamas. hamas is a pretext and a justification. the genocide is really about hate
I agree. Almost no one is pro-Hamas. They are definitely evil.
Still, doesn’t justify starving kids, bombing kids and withholding medicine which forces doctors to amputate kids without anaesthesia.
Hamas is not evil dawg lmao I would be hamas if the shit happened here. Any reasonable person would take up arms in defense of their land whether they agree with the organization fully or not.
If American bombs destroyed your entire neighborhood and killed your entire family along with all your neighbors and everyone you went to school with you would rightfully seek out a way to fight the party responsible.
It’s disingenuous to call hamas evil. Israel broke a ceasefire, killed 500 people(mostly children), kidnapped rescue workers and executed them, and has refused to allow aid into Gaza for over a month. That is evil. Any resistance to that in any form is just and righteous.
To call it evil is covering up Israel’s decades long war crimes against Palestinians. A hundred thousand deaths on Israel’s bloody hands? That is evil. Reducing an entire civilization to rubble for giving you a well deserved black eye after 70 years of oppression and apartheid is evil. Any evil you percieve from hamas is an in-kind response.
Resisting is human nature.
Stop playing their game.
Any time you feel tempted to condemn hamas, condemn Israel for propping them up and creating the conditions for Oct. 7th. Anything less is giving them cover to continue this genocide. If hamas is evil then killing all Palestinians is rational and necessary. You are unwittingly manufacturing consent for genocide when you do this.
I will say that Israel is many times more evil than Hamas.
But Hamas definitely is evil, too.
They torture and kill Palestinians to maintain power. They had even smuggled a Yezidi slave girl into Gaza.
Of course, I do understand that they are resisting oppression. And that is justified. And I also know that a lot of the propaganda against them is false, such as the beheaded babies thing.
But there are enough credible reports of them doing really shady stuff.
That’s fine and valid criticism! I am not speaking for all members of hamas, simply stating the obvious. The most hateful ideologies and inexcusable actions likely wouldn’t happen if the zionist regime had never been allowed to create the conditions for such hate in the first place.
Zionists openly stated their desire to displace and kill as many native people as necessary to secure their ethnic majority in Israel from its inception. After 40 years of occupation hamas is formed as a radical opposition movement. Their ideology, foundational ethics, and mission was colored entirely by their material reality under a genocidal occupation. I cannot fault them for their methods or rationale under those conditions from my privileged American home.
Unlike zionists, hamas was not formed for the explicit purpose of Jewish extermination but for liberation of the Palestinian people. What they saw as necessary for those goals may or may not be considered acceptable means of resistance to those in the west. It is not our place to morally grandstand about inconsiderate acts committed in resistance to genocide. We would not cast the same aspersions on Nat Turner or John Brown when talking about their fight for liberation even though they explicitly committed unthinkable crimes against the people seeking to benefit from the systems of oppression they were fighting against. We recognize that in the long arc of history that those actions were justified in pursuit of an end to chattel slavery.
What we are encouraged or even mandated by social pressures to decry as evil are actions taken under duress, under occupation, under threat of violent imprisonment with no fair trial even during “peace time.” It’s not so simple as pointing to individual immoral acts and calling them evil, we have to understand the history and escalations to this point. Israel does not respect diplomacy or international agreements, they only respond to force. I cannot fault the people faced with this reality for playing the hand they were dealt. As I said in my original response: had I grown up in those conditions I cannot deny that I would be compelled to risk my life and do whatever is necessary for a chance to save my country and it’s people from extinction.
It was true before October 7th but it is in plain view at this point that peace was never a goal for Israel and genocide is the explicit purpose of this ongoing “war.” The media framing of hamas as evil and terrorists only serves to dehumanize all Palestinians. If terrorism is fighting for freedom from oppression then you should be proud to call yourself a terrorist and stand for the rights of all people worldwide. Rebuke those who try to confuse the term and point out the hypocrisy inherent in promoting Israel’s right to defend itself while dismissing the opposition to their occupation as evil. It inherently biases the conversation. It taints the discussion by demanding fealty to Israel and their bloodthirsty crusade to claim all of Gaza as their territory. That is unacceptable.
That is all I was trying to get across, not directly at you but the royal you. Everyone is gently coerced into feeling the need to condemn hamas before their statements around Gaza, it’s not necessary. Hamas is the result of Israel’s inhumane occupation policy and any evil you percieve is a direct consequence of the conditions forced upon them by a belligerent occupier. We all recognize the human toll of their actions, and it is still so insignificant compared to the industrialized oppression of all Palestinians. They are not evil, their conditions are. We condemn the conditions Gaza has been forced to endure for almost 80 years. We do not condemn their actions.
I’m anti Hamas as I’m anti IDF. Both for Oct 7th and the 16 month collective punishment / cleansing and settlement.
Hamas is a reaction to evil.
Hamas is an exploitation of reactions to evil.
evil do be getting more evil
C’mon, let’s not forget land grab
So don’t mix two distinct conflicts in one paragraph Sorry to come across condescending, but you can hate/disapprove Israeli politics and their followers as much as you can hate/disapprove hamas and their followers.
and i do! that’s why i made the comment. because the conflation is so goddamn common
Ok sorry might have misread/misinterpreted
i was going to ask how i can better phrase what i’m trying to say. because who i’m trying to speak to are people who think pro-hamas and pro-Palestine are the same thing because they think of everything in terms of binaries when everything is far more nuanced than that, but in doing so i seemingly gave the impression that i myself see this as a binary.
how can i make my messaging stronger?
I understood your intent just fine.
You said it just fine. Your messaging is great. Tic tok has really changed the messaging on what pro-palestine is. Like most social media the conflict was high jacked for attention and now there’s a lot of loud voices dishing out bad narratives. Most people support the people of palestine to some degree. I find the tic tok crowd has made the cause more toxic than it needs to be.
This is the most toxic political issue for the last 40 years or so. It’s being amplified even more and to no surprise, people have only become more divided when attempting discorse on social media.
My personal stance is to defund isreal of weapons money, refund the aid to palestine, protect palestines promised borders through economic means. I consider that a balanced take, although many would call me a genocidal zionist and wish me dead.
Shame a nuanced take is being down-voted.
Nuanced take as in not going against your Zionist hatemongering brainrot?
lol
I’ve been giggling like an idiot for the past three minutes.
Yep, massive difference between the two.
Your comment might carry more weight if this thread wasn’t full of people being outraged and claiming that anything that suggests Hamas aren’t good guys must be “zionist propaganda”.
You may not support Hamas, but maybe ask the people in this thread that are clearly pro-Hamas whether or not they consider themselves to be pro-Palestine.
The contents of this thread suggests there are a lot of people that are part of the pro-Palestine movement are indeed pro-Hamas. And there is little push-back within the pro-Palestine movement for people that take pro-Hamas and even anti-semitic stances. Anyone who does gets labelled a zionist and gets harassed and threatened.
Sure not everyone in the pro-Palestinian movement are pro-Hamas, but Hamas is a significant part of that movement. And when you have violent extremists in a movement, they are the ones that control the movement, not the pacifists. Because as we can see, the violent elements of a movement are willing to kill the pacifists if they speak against them.