FDO's conduct enforcement actions regarding Vaxry
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Like y’all keep posting about it, praising it, giving it free advertisement, and what not.

But the dev is a fascist, the discord server is a fascist bar, and the project thus is fascist.

I’ve met people who were harassed, I browsed through now deleted messages of Vaxry using slurrs and more.

So I wonder is if the people who post constantly about it know and are complicit, or just don’t know and would act otherwise?

It gets tiring to see the project be given “fame” when I know the roots of the plants are founded in toxicity & abuse.

  • comfy@lemmy.ml
    105·
    2 days ago

    Why is it wrong to promote the things a shitty person makes?

    It’s FOSS, so using it doesn’t give them money. On the other hand, a user might voluntarily donate if they’re unaware.

    One might claim they’re being given a platform in the community by people promoting their product, but on the other hand I hear more loudly that they’re toxic, fascist and banned from various places.

    Anything else to add?

    • apotheotic (she/her)@beehaw.orgEnglish
      102·
      2 days ago

      I don’t have a lot that I would add, but I would just assert that the “user might donate if they’re unaware” is a big enough reason on its own. Even if you promote it alongside a caveat mentioning the moral shortcomings, the people who start using it because of your promotion might also promote it, but there’s no guarantee they’ll keep the caveat (in fact I’d consider it likely that people who will use the product despite the caveat are exceptionally likely to neglect to mention anything in their promotion).

      And to your second point I’d say that its pretty indisputable that they are being given a platform, as evidenced by the platform they have. It is a platform that is, as you mention, not subscribed to by a lot of people with a moral backbone, but it is significant.

      If I had to give a one-liner for why it is bad to promote the things a shitty person makes, I’d say “its a bit of a Nazi bar thing”.

      • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
        61·
        2 days ago

        And in addition to that: It’s also kind of a big thing that they get an audience. The more people use the projects, the bigger the audience. They’ll get a Discord and people will join because of the project, people will start reading their blog because of the attention via the software… People will maintain and package their software, or use it, or contribute to it… Directly resulting in interactions with the group which develops a project. That’s a direct consequence of the project getting attention. And “promoting” is a way to draw attention.

        • Ferk@lemmy.ml
          1·
          7 hours ago

          The more people learn to drive, the bigger the chance they’ll get a private car, the more accidents, the more people will die. Thus: let’s recommend everyone to not learn to drive.

          I feel this path is sort of a baby-sitting approach to recommendations. Not only do I have to know if the software if good before recommending it, I also have to research if there’s a chance that whoever I’m recommending it to might find a community somewhere for which they might lack enough critical thinking to judge on by themselves?

          How about we recommend good software when it’s good while at the same time recommending good ideals / good thoughts when they are good?

          • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
            1·
            2 hours ago

            How about we just tell the truth as is? I mean in your analogy… Would you recommend a faulty car with the same words you’d choose for a very nice one? Would you hide that the manufacturer does problematic things? I think the way you phrase it, has indeed some things in common for example with recommending a Tesla car these days. Generally, people don’t keep their mouth shut about who manufactures them. So yeah, I don’t think speaking the truth is babysitting at all… But of course you also don’t hide the fact that Hyperland exists and if it’s any good. I’d advocate for just stating the facts. As an added bonus, everyone can then go ahead and make that desicion themselves. I mean I personally wouldn’t buy a Swasticar. I have less objections using Hyprland. But I always try to give these kind of info out as well, if someone asks me about software. Because I think it’s kind of important if a project is healthy, has a nice community etc. I think the comparison with driving cars falls a bit short, since we don’t recommend people shouldn’t use any desktop. It’s fine to use one. And it’s also fine to drive a car. You should just be aware of the consequences. And in fact I think it’d be beneficial if we were to drive less cars, for several reasons.