Hi, author here. First of all, in that piece I don’t happen to recommend using any specific piece of software. I mention Signal and WhatsApp for comparison, as tools that are considered similar, and yet avoid making the same weird protocol choices.

Secondly, if you have any proof that any specific communication tool is used to “spy” on people, I am sure I am not the only person who would love to hear about it. That’s the only way we can keep each other safe online. Surely you wouldn’t be making unsubstantiated claims and just imply stuff like that without any proof, would you?

And finally, I’ve spent a good chunk of time and expertise on analyzing Telegram’s protocol before I made my claims. I provided receipts. I provided code. I explained in detail my testing set-up. You can yourself go and verify my results.

Instead, you claim it’s “propaganda”, while mischaracterizing what I say in that post. Classy!

Thank you, that’s really great to hear!

AMA is AMA

What have I done.

What lead you to dive into examining Telegram?

I do information security work, and I used to work closely with investigative journalists hailing from Russia, Kazachstan, Ukraine, and other places in that general area. Telegram is massively popular there. Because of this Telegram has been on my radar for a very long time as a serious security threat – not just because its protocol and management are suspect, there are plenty of other IMs like that, but also because of how many people I worked with had used it.

I’ve written about Telegram before, on amore general level (linked in the blog post), so when IStories reached out to me for comment on this it was a good inspiration to dive deeper.

How would you use it if abandoning it is not an option, safety-wise, on android? Like, opening it in browser instead, killing app from the background, or using some app\tool? Not using it for anything sensitive is obvious.

I would not use it. I refuse to accept that abandoning it is not an option. There are plenty of options. It’s always a decision one can make.

Please remember that even if hypothetically you could use it in a way that protects you from the spying – something I am very, very doubtful of! – the mere fact you are using it sucks other people into using it. You personally become one more reason for someone to start using or keep using Telegram. You personally become one more “user” of Telegram, justifying another media organization or NGO to set up or maintain a presence there – which in turn pulls in even more users into the dragnet.

In other words, your decision to use Telegram anyway, even though you know what the issues are, becomes one of the many things that make other people feel that “abandoning is not an option”. I refuse to be a part of that. The only thing I can recommend is to stop using it.

What are other potential worms is in there you may think of? Recently, Yandex and Meta analytics tools got caught in sending browsing data to phone’s localhost - where their locally installed apps caught it and sent back home. If the FSB conection is that deep, there is no end to what they’d want to mine from users.

I think this hits the nail on the head: If the FSB conection is that deep, there is no end to what they’d want to mine from users.

I don’t want to speculate. The possibilities are vast. But I will say what I said in the blogpost: Telegram is indistinguishable from an FSB honeypot.

I don’t trust Telegram the company, I don’t trust Telegram the software, I don’t trust MTProto. I certainly do not trust Pavel Durov. I don’t think we need to speculate on what more could possibly be hiding there, what is already known about Telegram should really be enough to stop using it.

Heh, thanks. AMA I guess.

We can walk and chew gum. We can recognize problems with US imperialism, and problems with Russian imperialism.

And calling 2014 elections a “coup” is denying Ukrainians their agency. I’ve been to Ukraine, I’ve worked with Ukrainians, and I had visited Janukovych’s former residence near Kyiv. A journalism conference is organized there every year these days. 2014 was the Ukrainian people showing the finger to Putin and his lackeys.

The only “world power” (as laughable as it currently is) trying to “conquer” anything right now is Russia. Enough with this Kremlin-propaganda-parotting tankie crap.