Right, so those are two typical TERF (trans-exclusionary radical/reactionary “feminst”) talking points. Edit: I am not insinuating that you are a terf in any way or that you aren’t presenting your viewpoint in good faith.
Cisgender people don’t experience gender dysphoria.
Neither do most trans people once they are treated for it, by having access to health care. I don’t think it’s a big deal that fundamentally separates cis and trans women, especially to the point of excluding one group or the other from spaces, events, or with laws.
Cis people didn’t grow up socialized as being seen as the opposite gender.
While it’s true that cis people didn’t grow up socialized as their opposite gender, neither did a lot of trans people in the last 20 years, because they had supportive parents and access to gender-affirming health care from a young age. I say this because socialization and upbringing is not a constant among trans people, and if it’s not a constant, it shouldn’t be used as justification for laws against all trans people.
But even if we ignore them and focus on trans people starting transition after age 18, it still doesn’t justify any of the discrimination these laws are doing. It doesn’t justify exclusion. Trans people aren’t any less valid because they started transitioning – or were forced to delay transitioning until – after age 18. And it most certainly does not mean that trans women aren’t women. Gender identity is innate and rooted in science and biology. Being trans is not a choice.
I don’t think that you have the same lived experience as a biological woman.
Biological women don’t have the experience of gender dysphoria and all the stuff that comes with it.
Biological women also don’t have the experience to grow up being treated as a boy/man.
I think those two are very different living experiences as they also have a huge impact on the person having to go through them.
Right, so those are two typical TERF (trans-exclusionary radical/reactionary “feminst”) talking points. Edit: I am not insinuating that you are a terf in any way or that you aren’t presenting your viewpoint in good faith.
Neither do most trans people once they are treated for it, by having access to health care. I don’t think it’s a big deal that fundamentally separates cis and trans women, especially to the point of excluding one group or the other from spaces, events, or with laws.
While it’s true that cis people didn’t grow up socialized as their opposite gender, neither did a lot of trans people in the last 20 years, because they had supportive parents and access to gender-affirming health care from a young age. I say this because socialization and upbringing is not a constant among trans people, and if it’s not a constant, it shouldn’t be used as justification for laws against all trans people.
But even if we ignore them and focus on trans people starting transition after age 18, it still doesn’t justify any of the discrimination these laws are doing. It doesn’t justify exclusion. Trans people aren’t any less valid because they started transitioning – or were forced to delay transitioning until – after age 18. And it most certainly does not mean that trans women aren’t women. Gender identity is innate and rooted in science and biology. Being trans is not a choice.