• superkret@feddit.org
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      No, it isn’t. They don’t disable Office on Windows 10 on that date.
      They just don’t take Windows 10 into account anymore in developing updates to the office apps.
      Which means those apps might stop working at some point if an update to them happens to break Windows 10 compatibility.

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        When Win 11 is such a hostile experience for privacy, yeah it still is out of spite, just for different reasons. I’m so glad to be rid of Windows in my home.

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        Unfortunately, it’s the corporate standard. With that said, it’s actually kind of surprising how little I use the Office suite on my work computer (other than Outlook I guess). More and more things are becoming web based.

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          It’s vendor lockin. Office file formats are not properly open. There is a “temporary” closed bit that they promised to open to get through ISO, but then never did. The whole ISO thing was a massive exercise in corruption. Let alone the fact the reference implementation is closed. Shame Groklaw isn’t as easy to search and link now.

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      Former burned out core LM developer here, the grass is not always greener (but maybe is if you don’t know how the sausage is cooked).

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        And then, you need a SW only available via AUR on arch based distro, see the toggle to enable AUR, do it, successfully install the app, make manjaro sw update and welcome in dependency hell ❤️

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    For those about to switch, welcome to Linux! If you have AMD hardware give Linux Mint a shot. If you have NVIDIA, Pop!_OS is worth your first install.

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      If I am the average computer user with very little literacy when it comes to operating software, how do I go about switching from Windows to Linux? Is there a tutorial anyone recommends?

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      Pop!_OS is worth your first install.

      Debian 12 is also hat in the ring worthy, nv support is fine.

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      Me, with an AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU, who is expecting to maybe upgrade to an Intel GPU this year and swap to Linux: visible confusion

      We truly do live in the weirdest timeline.

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        That’s just my guess: Linux mint may be easier to get into and more popular, however it doesn’t come with pre installed proprietary drivers. Pop OS is based on the same distro so should be similar enough, but it comes with pre packaged drivers

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          Nailed it. The transition to Linux should be as smooth as possible for newcomers.

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            Bit of a weird reason to recommend a distro for me though? Isn’t installing drivers (even Nvidia) basically just the same as Windows these days?

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              The difference with Pop OS in particular is that they offer installation ISOs with the proprietary NVIDIA drivers preinstalled, meaning you don’t have to fuss with installing them at all.

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                Yea I get that. But installing them is far from the troublesome experience it used to be, isn’t it? It’s just a one-click installer that generally “just works” these days?

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                  Just works, sometimes. Other times you’ll be left with a blank screen and the need for a second device to search the mint forums. It all depends on the age and support for your hardware.

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          however it doesn’t come with pre installed proprietary drivers

          It prompts you on boot (until turned off) with a list of things to do, including “driver manager” which will get those Nvidia (and any others like USB wifi adapters) drivers for you ezpz

          Honestly easier than windows, even

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      Pop_OS is a good alternative. I still believe that most non-gaming adults would be happy with Firefox and LibreOffice on Linux.

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    The harder MS tries to force Win11 on me the clearer it becomes how bad it is.

    I will move to another office suit,install, and learn a completely new OS like Linux after 40 years of Windows before I ever install their unnecessary and untrustworthy data-miner.

    Win10 was bad but most of it could be removed/worked around. This time it’s clearly war against typical users so F it I’m out.

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      before I ever install their unnecessary and untrustworthy data-miner

      You’re about [current year minus year you installed Win10] years too late for that. That said, if you intend to come over to Linux, it’s probably best to set time-bounded goals for yourself instead of vaguely putting it off until MS does something that crosses some poorly defined line, else you risk having to chaotically abandon ship at the last minute and making the transition much harder.

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      It’s not difficult to block the mining and telemetry. Pihole, a few registry tweaks, a few scheduled tasks disabled and life goes on.

      Folk see nothing wrong with spending hours tuning a Linux distro, but they object to doing the same with Windows?

      FWIW I use vanilla Debian for everything other than what I’m required to use Windows for.

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        It’s a constantly moving target. Yeah, you might block everything today, but then a windows update comes along and, poof, a bunch of the data harvesting is back on. I hope you were checking the detailed patch notes every time an update installs!

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          Ah yes, that’s a concern - but I have a job in Task Scheduler that re-writes my registry tweaks - mostly changing various tasks back to “disabled”. You can trigger it hourly, or on an event. As soon as a selected event - such as a telemetry switch-on - hits the event log, the “disable” script runs.

          There’s other ways, like taking ownership of the executables and changing permissions to lock out the “SYSTEM” account.

          And pihole blocks DNS resolution of the telemetry harvesters as well. Windows update won’t touch that. It’s not 100% effective, but I couldn’t be bothered to take it further.

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    I just realized. Windows 10 is being shelved but there is only one version ahead of it.

    I remember xp still being considered good when i had win 8 installed.

    How is that not understood as as a blatant attempt to maximize user control?

    Actually looking at the numbers xp and 8.1 retired within 2 years of eachother. And 10 first got retired in 2020 a year before win 11 was released to make way of windows as a service updates which is actually what is getting retired later this year.

    Microsoft kindly please get your shit together… or dont and strengthen my work requests to migrate systems to Linux.

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      Microsoft is a lot more aggressive with EoLing it’s Windows versions now exactly because XP lived so long. It was an absolute pain for them to maintain and support that for so long and they’ve made very sure they don’t repeat that experience.

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    That’s when Windows 10 stops getting security updates. Expect most software vendors to drop support for Windows 10 this year if they haven’t already. That doesn’t necessarily mean things will stop working, but it will not be tested and they won’t spend time fixing Win10-specific problems.

    In enterprise, you can get an additional three years of “extended security updates”. That’s your grace period to get everyone in your org upgraded.

    While I strongly relate to anyone who hates Windows 11, “continue using Windows 10 forever” was never a viable long-term strategy.

    Windows 10 was released in 2015. Ten years of support for an OS is industry-leading, on par with Red Hat or Ubuntu’s enterprise offerings and far ahead of any competing consumer OS. Apple generally only offers three years of security updates. Google provides 3-4 years of security updates. Debian gets 5 years.

    There has never been a time in the history of personal computing when using an OS for over 10 years without a major upgrade was realistic. That would be like using Windows 3.1 after XP was released. Windows 10 is dead, and it’s been a long time coming.

    Now go download Fedora.

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    I’ll use Windows 10 and pay for the updates for years while using old versions of office. Fuck Windows 11.

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    So what’s the news here? Win 10 support ends in october. Doesn’t that automatically mean that they will also not support office apps running on Win 10 starting october?