Summary

Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

  • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    you have to be pretty dense to think that there is any meaningful difference between how Kamala and Trump would have handled Palestine

    Kamala called for a ceasefire.

    Trump said Biden should “Let [Israel] go and let [Israel] finish it.” and now he’s saying we’re going to give Israel bigger bombs to do it while removing economic sanctions on Israeli occupiers.

    How can you say there is no meaningful difference?

    • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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      16 hours ago

      Kamala called for a ceasefire.

      So did Biden. She also said she couldn’t think of anything Biden had done that she’d have done differently. There’s a good reason people were skeptical about her being any different from what’s already happening.

      • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
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        16 hours ago

        I’m not sure how telling me that she’s the same as Biden is any kind of rebuttal to what I said. I responded to someone saying they believed Kamala and Trump would have no meaningful difference in their handling of it. I replied by linking to quotes from those two people showing a markedly different attitude (one says “stop shooting” and the other says “keep shooting until it’s done”). And now we’re seeing that Trump, as President, is carrying out actions consistent with what he said as a candidate, which were and are the opposite of what Kamala was saying before the election.

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          16 hours ago

          Because Biden was not meaningfully opposing the genocide but would say he wanted peace. We can’t know whether Harris was actually lying when she said she didn’t want to change anything, but saying she’s in favor of a cease fire and saying she didn’t want to act any differently than Biden isn’t a contradiction. He said he wanted a cease fire, and then he armed and shielded the genocide. We already have the template for how that works.

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            15 hours ago

            You still are ignoring the fact that we were comparing Kamala and Trump.

            We already have the template for how that works.

            And Trump said as a candidate he thought we should do even less than Biden, and now is doing exactly that. So where in all of this am I supposed to have expected that Kamala would have been the same as Trump?

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      15 hours ago

      I despise Trump, but I do not buy that argument for a second. You’re clearly taking a meaning that you’re inventing on your own, not from the text itself. “Let Israel go and finish it” could just as easily be interpreted as “they need to wrap this war up and reach a cease fire.”

      Kamala called for a ceasefire, but her and Biden wouldn’t lift a pinky finger to actually produce such a cease fire. Trump seems to have actually succeeded at getting a ceasefire.

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        7 hours ago

        Trump didn’t do fuck all to get a ceasefire. The Biden admin negotiated it for months, but Israel held off right until the end (ala Reagan and Iran). Now that trump is in and removing all sanctions and weapon blocks, Israel is right back at “operations” in Gaza. Just remember that everything that happens from here on out should be hung around your neck and other Trump voters / sit it out voters. There’s never been a peaceful way out of fascism.

      • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
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        15 hours ago

        You’re clearly taking a meaning that you’re inventing on your own, not from the text itself. “Let Israel go and finish it” could just as easily be interpreted as “they need to wrap this war up and reach a cease fire.”

        I don’t need to make anything up. Trump followed up his words as a candidate with his actions as president to resume giving Israel the bigger bombs that Biden stopped giving them and to remove financial sanctions on Israeli occupiers.

        Kamala called for a ceasefire, but her and Biden wouldn’t lift a pinky finger to actually produce such a cease fire.

        I mean sure if you ignore the fact that Biden stopped shipping these bigger bombs and tried using financial sanctions then yeah, they didn’t lift a finger.

        Trump seems to have actually succeeded at getting a ceasefire.

        Trump himself said he’s not confident the ceasefire will hold, and by some accounts Israel has already violated it