Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed for the first time that Israel delivered Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv, adding two more batteries will arrive in the fall after months of speculation and denials
It’s definitely not “the genocide”. I don’t think it’s even “a genocide”. As clarification, this is an example of what I think qualifies as a genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide and I am aware that UN has far far less stringent definitions. I don’t think we should be watering down serious concepts like UN is doing there.
But yes, that’s how I view Israel’s justification for the Gaza War. Obviously Russia’s justification for invading Ukraine is even more ludicrous than Hamas’s justification for terrorizing and invading Israel regurarily, but it’s not exactly sane either.
Hamas is obviously the greater evil in about the same way as Nazis were obviously the greater evil in Europe in WW2. Beating them was also extremely harsh for german civilians sometimes. Dresden firebombings killed 25 000 people in a single bombing raid, in a population of about 600 000 people. Relatively speaking about as many deaths in that one day than total in Gaza since October 7 2023.
Was it necessary? I cannot tell definitely, but probably not all of it was and probably most of it was.
You are a horrible human being and I hope hell is real.
There aren’t conflicting definitions of what genocide is, where did you pull that “fact” from? Genocide is a systematic killing of people, as per your own link. And that’s exactly what Israel is doing. No?
Sure, a watered down definitions. Like the Nazi watered down the definition of humanity to exclude minority groups (like the Jews) to make it “OK” to kill them.
The UN definition of genocide is a commonly agreed definition by the international community, to not only encompass the clear genocides, like WW2 genocide or the Rwanda one, but also more pernicious way of committing genocide, like Israel is currently doing. And Israel is part of the UN, they had a say in that definition.
Genocide is about denying a group their humanity, by robbing them of their lives (as an example through indiscriminate bombardment), famine, or simply killing them at random for being on the wrong side of the road (which, of course, change every other day).
Other means are by trying to destroy their culture (as an example Ukraine invaded land where every trace of their culture is being erased), which Isreal does by removing their “unwanted population” way of life (robbing their land in Palestine, building roads made to prevent them from being able to reach their usual pastures).
The current Israeli government doesn’t even hide their ambition. They want all for Palestine land, without the Palestinian that lives there for centuries. There are no other way to achieve that than genocide, be it brutal, like the final solution, or insidious, like the Russification of the Donbas. Israel is in between.
Brutal, but disguised enough to not create on outright reaction from the global community. A slow but steady murder of a population, while distracting other with claims of terrorism (which are partiality correct), and antisemitism (which, once again, are sometime correct, but very rarely lately).
But the only way to prove or disprove any of those side would be for journalist to go and see by themselves. Which is steadily being denied by no other than the Israeli government.
So the only ones that can report on what happen are either the locals, which Israel take good care of silencing, or the IDF, which of course tells everyone to go look elsewhere.
In conclusion, both side are as evil as the other. Which is why I’d support none of them. But there are innocent populations in between, that all have the right to live a happy and peaceful life. Those are the people I’d support, not the living trash that govern both.
Ootko sä oikeasti tosissasi? Vaikutat trollilta tai muuten vaan toopelta. Kyse ei ole vuosikymmeniin ollut mistään “sodasta” vaan ihan etnisestä puhdistuksesta. Taidat hakea kommenteillasi vain huomiota ja vastakkainasettelua
Is that how you see the genocide in Gaza? That Israel is being “attacked by evil entity with fake justification”?
It’s definitely not “the genocide”. I don’t think it’s even “a genocide”. As clarification, this is an example of what I think qualifies as a genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide and I am aware that UN has far far less stringent definitions. I don’t think we should be watering down serious concepts like UN is doing there.
But yes, that’s how I view Israel’s justification for the Gaza War. Obviously Russia’s justification for invading Ukraine is even more ludicrous than Hamas’s justification for terrorizing and invading Israel regurarily, but it’s not exactly sane either.
Hamas is obviously the greater evil in about the same way as Nazis were obviously the greater evil in Europe in WW2. Beating them was also extremely harsh for german civilians sometimes. Dresden firebombings killed 25 000 people in a single bombing raid, in a population of about 600 000 people. Relatively speaking about as many deaths in that one day than total in Gaza since October 7 2023.
Was it necessary? I cannot tell definitely, but probably not all of it was and probably most of it was.
You are a horrible human being and I hope hell is real.
There aren’t conflicting definitions of what genocide is, where did you pull that “fact” from? Genocide is a systematic killing of people, as per your own link. And that’s exactly what Israel is doing. No?
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First, I’m just stating facts that you are a horrible person, if you feel insulted it’s on you.
Second, I made a very valid argument, but your reading comprehension is really bad. I will repeat it just for you:
There aren’t conflicting definitions of what genocide is, where did you pull that “fact” from? Genocide is a systematic killing of people
So can you tell what are those different definitions of genocide that you mentioned??
Sure, a watered down definitions. Like the Nazi watered down the definition of humanity to exclude minority groups (like the Jews) to make it “OK” to kill them.
The UN definition of genocide is a commonly agreed definition by the international community, to not only encompass the clear genocides, like WW2 genocide or the Rwanda one, but also more pernicious way of committing genocide, like Israel is currently doing. And Israel is part of the UN, they had a say in that definition.
Genocide is about denying a group their humanity, by robbing them of their lives (as an example through indiscriminate bombardment), famine, or simply killing them at random for being on the wrong side of the road (which, of course, change every other day).
Other means are by trying to destroy their culture (as an example Ukraine invaded land where every trace of their culture is being erased), which Isreal does by removing their “unwanted population” way of life (robbing their land in Palestine, building roads made to prevent them from being able to reach their usual pastures).
The current Israeli government doesn’t even hide their ambition. They want all for Palestine land, without the Palestinian that lives there for centuries. There are no other way to achieve that than genocide, be it brutal, like the final solution, or insidious, like the Russification of the Donbas. Israel is in between. Brutal, but disguised enough to not create on outright reaction from the global community. A slow but steady murder of a population, while distracting other with claims of terrorism (which are partiality correct), and antisemitism (which, once again, are sometime correct, but very rarely lately).
But the only way to prove or disprove any of those side would be for journalist to go and see by themselves. Which is steadily being denied by no other than the Israeli government.
So the only ones that can report on what happen are either the locals, which Israel take good care of silencing, or the IDF, which of course tells everyone to go look elsewhere.
In conclusion, both side are as evil as the other. Which is why I’d support none of them. But there are innocent populations in between, that all have the right to live a happy and peaceful life. Those are the people I’d support, not the living trash that govern both.
Ootko sä oikeasti tosissasi? Vaikutat trollilta tai muuten vaan toopelta. Kyse ei ole vuosikymmeniin ollut mistään “sodasta” vaan ihan etnisestä puhdistuksesta. Taidat hakea kommenteillasi vain huomiota ja vastakkainasettelua