I get it but I still think it’s more about just being against the government than any realistic risk. You already have to show your ID to buy alcohol or enter some places. The government could simply require shop owners to scan the ID with government app. Digital ID is not needed to monitor where each ID is used. And you don’t have to show your ID to use public transport. Just having digital ID doesn’t mean it will be mandatory to use it everywhere. They can just as easily require normal ID everywhere. The risks you’re describing are basically a big stretch. But I get it, you don’t trust this government to do anything so this includes digital ID.
You already have to show your ID to buy alcohol or enter some places.
and who cares about that? It’s an entirely different situation. the card is not scanned, it is not recorded in a database that you were there. a person just checks it with their eyes.
The government could simply require shop owners to scan the ID with government app.
the point is that it would be a noticeable, suspicious change for more people. but when its dressed as convenience first and then deprecation of “obsolete” “insecure” practices, it is not. then concerns like this can just be handwaved away, that “oh it surely won’t happen”
And you don’t have to show your ID to use public transport.
in my country you already have to scan your monthly pass, tied to your id. travel information is also persisted for years. they banned paper passes in law.
in my country you already have to scan your monthly pass, tied to your id. travel information is also persisted for years. they banned paper passes in law.
This just confirms my point. Those practices are not tied to digital ID. You can gather the same data without digital ID and having digital ID does not automatically mean data will be gathered. People simply don’t want government to do anything because they don’t trust it. And this is fine. I was just wandering if digital ID in itself is a bad idea for some reason but I see it’s not.
Except that they are, so that they can check whether you are the actual owner of the pass.
having digital ID does not automatically mean data will be gathered.
it is gathered, and that is not a question. a screen shows the bus driver your ID number, because on paper everyone should also show their ID for the driver to check that the numbers match. now in reality that rarely happens because it slows down boarding, but your ID is still registered and tied to your pass. the GDPR document also mentions it.
People simply don’t want government to do anything because they don’t trust it.
thats a nice distraction to tell for yourself, but the transportation company was not governmentally owned when the law came into effect.
was just wandering if digital ID in itself is a bad idea for some reason but I see it’s not.
it is, because it makes connecting already collected information to an exact person much easier and impossible to deny, and because computerized tracking is much less visible than if the bus driver or shop keeper would have to jot down your ID number or take a picture with their phone.
Yeah, except not. Where I live every ID has a digital certificate in it or you can install an app which works as an ID and can be verified by 3rd party and at the same time you can just buy a paper bus ticket with cash. What you’re describing is a tracking system that works without a digital ID. It’s clear digital ID is not a key factor here. But I see you just don’t understand this and I can’t make this any clearer so we can simply agree to disagree and move on.
I get it but I still think it’s more about just being against the government than any realistic risk. You already have to show your ID to buy alcohol or enter some places. The government could simply require shop owners to scan the ID with government app. Digital ID is not needed to monitor where each ID is used. And you don’t have to show your ID to use public transport. Just having digital ID doesn’t mean it will be mandatory to use it everywhere. They can just as easily require normal ID everywhere. The risks you’re describing are basically a big stretch. But I get it, you don’t trust this government to do anything so this includes digital ID.
and who cares about that? It’s an entirely different situation. the card is not scanned, it is not recorded in a database that you were there. a person just checks it with their eyes.
the point is that it would be a noticeable, suspicious change for more people. but when its dressed as convenience first and then deprecation of “obsolete” “insecure” practices, it is not. then concerns like this can just be handwaved away, that “oh it surely won’t happen”
in my country you already have to scan your monthly pass, tied to your id. travel information is also persisted for years. they banned paper passes in law.
This just confirms my point. Those practices are not tied to digital ID. You can gather the same data without digital ID and having digital ID does not automatically mean data will be gathered. People simply don’t want government to do anything because they don’t trust it. And this is fine. I was just wandering if digital ID in itself is a bad idea for some reason but I see it’s not.
Except that they are, so that they can check whether you are the actual owner of the pass.
it is gathered, and that is not a question. a screen shows the bus driver your ID number, because on paper everyone should also show their ID for the driver to check that the numbers match. now in reality that rarely happens because it slows down boarding, but your ID is still registered and tied to your pass. the GDPR document also mentions it.
thats a nice distraction to tell for yourself, but the transportation company was not governmentally owned when the law came into effect.
it is, because it makes connecting already collected information to an exact person much easier and impossible to deny, and because computerized tracking is much less visible than if the bus driver or shop keeper would have to jot down your ID number or take a picture with their phone.
Yeah, except not. Where I live every ID has a digital certificate in it or you can install an app which works as an ID and can be verified by 3rd party and at the same time you can just buy a paper bus ticket with cash. What you’re describing is a tracking system that works without a digital ID. It’s clear digital ID is not a key factor here. But I see you just don’t understand this and I can’t make this any clearer so we can simply agree to disagree and move on.