Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region
Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.
Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.
Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.
I’ve done some superficial researches but I couldn’t find anything: does anyone know what the morale is like in the regions that voted to join the Russian federation ? I only found out recently that there was a referendum held in the regions almost immediately by Russia. Stop. I know you want to call these referendum a sham, but this isn’t the question here. Russia is going to operate as though they aren’t a sham and no one has the power to stop them at the moment, so what I’m asking is “what is going on in these regions”.
I can’t find the article I initially found on the matter, but apparently civilian areas were being shelled by Ukraine during the vote period.
I’m not sure why Kyiv is so obsessed with fighting to reclaim regions that were ethnic russians and that seems like they don’t even want to be part of Ukraine.
Why do you think that referendum being a sham doesn’t matter and then use it as justification for Russia’s illegal annexation of Ukrainian territory.
Like I already said: Russia will act as though they aren’t a sham.
Unless you tell me you can stop Russia from doing what it pleases, it doesn’t matter that the west cry foul.
Why are YOU not asking what is going on in these regions? What if the referendums weren’t scam and most of the ex-Ukrainians are actually happy? This isn’t my assertion, I genuinely don’t know what is going on there, hence me asking what the morale is over there.
That’s not all you said, is it? You ALSO said that Ukrainians voted in a referendum to join Russia. Right here and this IS your assertion:
I don’t give a shit what Russia thinks, they’re wrong. You’re defending Russia by using the referendum, conveniently, you don’t want to talk about the referendum’s legitimacy.
I’m asking questions, why are you getting so emotional and upset?
If you are correct, then just share sources showing that there’s a massive resistance movement in the area that voted for a referendum and that Russia barely gains anything from being there. Ukrainians are praised for their guerilla warfare, how come Russia can hold on to so many regions?
Just asking questions doesn’t shield you from the direct Russian propaganda you’re spewing.
There’s no need to, you need to prove they want to be Russian not the other way round. The sham referendum is just as you say, a sham and evidences nothing especially when you watch videos of ballet boxes being stuffed.
Because they have like 8x the population and 30x the military equipment prewar oh and nukes. For what they started with against whom they started against this is incredibly incredibly bad progress.
Are you even familiar with the cultural layout of Ukraine? I wasn’t aware that we were starting the conversation so far back that I have to explain that “marginalized russian speakers might prefer Russian rules over Ukrainian rules”.
There’s a significant percentage of native Russian speaker that lives in the annexed part of the country. An overwhelming amount of these russophones voted for a pro-Russia government in 2010.
This population also was under duress of ukrainian nationalist in 2014 (“Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing ‘ISIS-Style’ War Crimes”). Are these people supposed to be begging for Ukrainian liberation or someshit?
Allegedly voted in an election you’re comfortable with calling a sham.
Critical thinking bud.
What are you even talking about? The 2010 election is different from the referendums I mentioned previously? I never called this election a sham.
An incredible amoutn of the population from Donetsk and Lugansk is already dead.
I get why you would bring this up, but this is not an helpful intervention in the conversation. “Incredible” doesn’t mean anything objective, and Ukraine factually killed multiple separatists before 2021, there’s no way for me to know whether you’re blaming Russia or Ukraine. So please be more specific, ideally with a source because otherwise this isn’t adding anything to the conversation.
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What misinformation? Are you saying there was no referendum? Or that those regions arent mostly populated with ethnic Russians? Or that Kyiv doesn’t want to retake those regions?
A referendum conducted by Russia isn’t trustworthy.
Nobody at any point claimed it was trustworthy, only that it was held.
Kinperor is asking if you or anyone else has any better data on how the people living in the former Ukraine territories feel.
This shouldn’t be too much of an ask given how low the confidence is the Russian-held referendum and how certain yall seem to be that predominantly ethnically Russian people in those areas are yearning for Ukrainian freedom.
Personally, I would be quite surprised if the people who have been oppressed and bombed both sides have anything but disdain for either.
So Russia is untrustworthy, ergo we should not engage with them or take their words?
Then why is the west engaging with a country too corrupt to join NATO (Ukraine)? Where are our standards for this specific country?