Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region
Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.
Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.
Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.
That’s not all you said, is it? You ALSO said that Ukrainians voted in a referendum to join Russia. Right here and this IS your assertion:
I don’t give a shit what Russia thinks, they’re wrong. You’re defending Russia by using the referendum, conveniently, you don’t want to talk about the referendum’s legitimacy.
I’m asking questions, why are you getting so emotional and upset?
If you are correct, then just share sources showing that there’s a massive resistance movement in the area that voted for a referendum and that Russia barely gains anything from being there. Ukrainians are praised for their guerilla warfare, how come Russia can hold on to so many regions?
Just asking questions doesn’t shield you from the direct Russian propaganda you’re spewing.
There’s no need to, you need to prove they want to be Russian not the other way round. The sham referendum is just as you say, a sham and evidences nothing especially when you watch videos of ballet boxes being stuffed.
Because they have like 8x the population and 30x the military equipment prewar oh and nukes. For what they started with against whom they started against this is incredibly incredibly bad progress.
Are you even familiar with the cultural layout of Ukraine? I wasn’t aware that we were starting the conversation so far back that I have to explain that “marginalized russian speakers might prefer Russian rules over Ukrainian rules”.
There’s a significant percentage of native Russian speaker that lives in the annexed part of the country. An overwhelming amount of these russophones voted for a pro-Russia government in 2010.
This population also was under duress of ukrainian nationalist in 2014 (“Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing ‘ISIS-Style’ War Crimes”). Are these people supposed to be begging for Ukrainian liberation or someshit?
Allegedly voted in an election you’re comfortable with calling a sham.
Critical thinking bud.
What are you even talking about? The 2010 election is different from the referendums I mentioned previously? I never called this election a sham.
The 2010 election that didn’t get a majority result aside from a people’s revolution because they wanted into NATO?
Yeah, not the point you think it is.
Ed: you’re ignoring the fact they can be Russian if they’d like but they need to take that shit to Russia to be Russian. They never have the right to murder their fellows to get their way when non violent means would suffice if they’d sacrifice.
You’re being purposefully disingenuous at this point.
You asked me “[…] to prove they want to be Russian not the other way round” and I gave you sources that showed that there is a culturally russian population in these regions. I’m done with this straw-manning.
That election didn’t prove they wanted to be Russian. It proved there was no consensus even in what are now disputed territories and historically have been since like 1115ce.
Remind me again, when was the last time Crimea was Russian? Never? Gotcha. Move on.