We absolutely, positively, one hundred percent need adult only spaces as well. Especially when the goal is to relax.
A lot of parents simply aren’t doing proper parenting. As a child, I was taught not to be a nuisance to others. And those others would also correct said behaviour in kids. But these days? Kids apparently have the right to be as annoying as they can be, and god forbid you tell them to knock it off… the parent actually gets offended!
So parents are really doing this to themselves. And that’s not even mentioning the fact that we have a TON of actual child friendly vacation options. Let the adults have a proper place as well.
And if child free vacationing being on the rise bothers you? Maybe look at your parenting style.
This is basically just the sanitized internet conflict again, only it’s the parents wanting to force adult-only spaces to disappear instead of advertisers. What’s next, banning gay and lesbian bars for not catering to straight people?
I’m for a ban on children and little yapping dogs
Split it up so there’s a family-friendly section and an adults-only section. Adults-only section can have the bar (adults in family-friendly section can still order a drink, it just has to be brought over). Family-friendly section has a play place. Each side has a pool.
As a parent, that’s actually genius.
Just describing something some restaurants do already, and applying it to a hotel << >>
Just make clothing optional.
I wouldn’t have a problem with this if it weren’t for the annoyingly large fraction of parents who let their ill mannered spawn run free and let them do whatever they want.
It’s not everyone’s thing to be sure, but I started going to a nudist resort largely because of this. I really just wanted a place to go hang out that has a pool that’s not overrun with kids.
It is technically a family resort, not too many people actually show up with kids, but there’s occasionally a few, and while I don’t particularly want to see naked kids (or honestly most of the adults either, nudists are rarely the kinds of people you’d want to see naked,) the parents are obviously keeping an eye on their kids there and keep them under control.
Did you see any trans or gender non-conforming people there? If so, did you notice whether they were treated well? I want to try one, but I’m pretty obviously trans under my clothes and I don’t want weird looks.
It will of course depend on which place you go to.
I’ve only noticed 2 at this place (but it’s pretty wild how quickly you stop noticing peoples bodies when everyone is naked, so there may have been more,), but one of them is an employee, and another was a performer they had for an event.
The clientele is mostly (but not entirely) middle aged white people, and I’ve seen more than a few trump stickers on peoples vehicles there, but they do have rules about not discussing politics and religion and aren’t afraid to kick people out if they make an ass of themselves, so I haven’t witnessed anyone saying or doing anything transphobic. This place is also fairly popular with swingers and such (behind closed doors, nothing sexual allowed in public) and we’re all a little weird since we like going to nudist resorts, so I think everyone has adopted a pretty “live and let live” attitude towards people with lifestyles that are different than their own.
No shortage of gay, lesbian, bi, pan, etc people though, and there are usually more than a few rainbow flags flying around the campground.
So I can’t really imagine anyone making an issue of it at the place I’ve been going.
There’s also a few nude/clothing-optional resorts out there that cater more specifically to LGBTQ people, so that’s potentially also an option.
Also, weirdly, I feel like in a lot of cases, depending on the state of their transition, it may be harder than you think to tell someone is trans/gender non-conforming there. Can’t exactly base your assumptions about someone’s gender by the clothes they’re wearing after all. Not that people would necessarily assume the right gender, mind you.
Great points, thanks for your detailed response.
Right? That’s kind of why they exist.
…or they tell other non-parent adults what they can do or say around their children.
I absolutely agree that certain language and behavior shouldn’t be around young children, but then that means there must be child-free places allowed for adults to do these things with other adults.
So the parents should get additional fees for disturbing the peace if the kids go too far?
No, the parents should find another hotel.
Would spread the word pretty fast. I get noise complaints and/or fees at home, why are hotels exempt?
A notable exception to equal opportunity law in the US us that you are allowed to discriminate against an individual on the basis of their age, as long as it’s not old age.
No idea what French parents/children are like but across the pond I’ve had many a good time ruined by children acting way out of line and parents doing nothing at all. I wish there were more explicitly child free attractions here for that reason
Can they not have policies and kick unruly customers out?
Problem is even I, being a childless bloke and having an intense dislike of loud children, feel for parents who just want to go out and do something they might like for once to have a break. So you’d have to be the minimum wage employee kicking out a parent just trying to relax and get out of the house for once.
The alternative you’re the minimum wage employee that has to kick out the shit parent who’ll then blow up at you for daring to acknowledge their crotch spawn running around the restaurant fucking up the vibe for everyone else. Right before they lie about it and you on social media.
Calm down Karen it’s ok to have different choices.
make it a porn hotel then
Swingers Hotel, the logo is a jazz trio and a wink 😉
*jizz trio
Ah a fellow cantina band fan
I’m all for this ban.
The kind of people that can’t tolerate having children around in a resort or hotel deserve to get upset.
Fuck them.
I’m curious. Wouldn’t you want those intolerant people who don’t want children around to stay nice and far away from you? Like… say… at their own hotel where you don’t have to interact with them?
Nope.
No.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Fine, is not like I was going to a resort in France anyways.
Just generally ban 'em bloody children and that’s it. Who needs them anyway - except bigots in patriarchist male-female relations and fucking libtards who think they have the right to flood the nation with their godless spawn?
It’s always the biggest, dumbest losers that jerk themselves off over their hatred of kids.
I use it as yet another litmus test to differentiate myself from dipshits and scumbags at this point.
An excellent example of Poe’s law right here. Bravo.
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So, I think that there’s a valid point here that the state has an interest in facilitating child-rearing, and that that’s an externality. The hotel can cause harm if people rely on hotels and child-free hotels price out child-permitting hotels.
Hmm.
I can think of a lot of problems.
If a hotel or other service wants to only provide adult access, I can imagine a whole lot of loopholes. That is, I don’t think that France is going to disallow keeping children away from random thing that social norms don’t want children to have, like alcohol (well, okay, this is France, so the bar might be somewhat lower). I mean, have hotel, have attached strip joint, whatever it takes; there are going to be some things that I imagine that France is going to permit as grounds for excluding children. It seems hard to make a blanket prohibition that would stop all this.
On the other hand, it also seems like in many situations, it’d be possible to let people who do want to be be away from children to have that as an option without creating issues for other users.
Maybe it’d be possible to have a best-effort attempt by hotels to simply place people and people without children together? I mean, that might get one most of the way there.
Also…is this presently causing actual problems? I mean, maybe the market will supply what the consumer wants. Hotels and apartments that don’t allow cats and/or dogs are a thing (well, in the US, and I assume France), and it doesn’t seem like that’s created fundamental issues.
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It sounds like there are hotels here in California that prohibit kids and hotels that provide babysitting as a service to guests. It seems like the market has provided in that case.
Maybe first see if this is definitely an issue, and if so, do some kind of targeted mandate? Like, I totally appreciate that maybe a hotel might be the only place in a remote area, and if it’s adults-only, that creates problems, because it’s the only option…and if it soaks up all the adults-only customers, that might prevent an adults-and-kids service from entering the market. But…I can also imagine that it might just not come up, because hotels in that kind of situation don’t want to sacrifice customers with kids.
