• floofloof@lemmy.caOP
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    “They have backed up their genocidal rhetoric with a program to develop nuclear weapons.”

    Netanyahu’s not in the best position to accuse others of genocidal rhetoric backed up with powerful weaponry.

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        The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon

        The IAEA flagged that Iran had amassed more near-weapons-grade uranium in its May 31 confidential report.

        The report sternly warned Iran was now “the only non-nuclear-weapon state to produce such material” — something the agency said was of “serious concern”.

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-12/iaea-finds-iran-in-breach-its-nuclear-obligations/105411014

      • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
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        Just like those weapons of mass destruction, way back when in Iraq? I’m shocked, I say, shocked!

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              I don’t think that allegation has been made, just that they have began the process of building a bomb.

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                They are claiming self defense in part due to Iran’s nuclear weapons program. The implication being that there is an immediate threat.

                First, [the Israeli official] alleged that the Iranian government is advancing a “secret program” to develop nuclear weapons. The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon. Secondly, the Israeli official said, Iran has thousands of ballistic missiles. Finally, he said Iran has been distributing weapons and arms to proxy groups across the region, like Hezbollah and Hamas.

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                  I don’t think that allegation is completely implausible. Although it will probably be impossible to independently verify for a number of years.

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    Trump started all this shit when he ruined the last nuclear deal in his first term.

    He sure is great at fucking everything up, and sowing chaos.

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    That’s 3 countries and Palestine, which is also a country in my book.

    “Defense”

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    Are they running out of people to murder in Gaza? Or do they just need someone to fight back, so they can look oppressed?

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      Neither. Internal politics in Israel threatened to break up the government, and starting a war with Iran was the easiest way to stop that. Can’t break up the government now, we’re in a state of emergency!

      Bibi would sooner burn down all of Israel than step down from power.

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      The moment they stop fighting is the moment they have to collectively come to terms with what they have done as a nation. Netanyahoo has to keep it going.

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      The US is obligated by law, to keep sending them weapons in order to maintain a “qualitative military edge” against all potential threats. This unfortunately incentivizes Israel to maintain a high threat level, in order to increase the amount of weapons it receives.

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        obligated by law, to keep sending them weapons

        Can you expand on that?

        There are agreements but to which extent are they binding? I guess they are not unconditional.

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          Given the interference in Ukraine’s military aid that was also required by law passed by Congress, they are only as binding as the government’s willingness to be bound. Congress can repeal it, and apparently the President can just ignore it because the points are made up and the rules don’t matter.

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        “By law”. It’s just a convenient excuse for genocidal immorality. It’s not like words on paper matter to anyone in power in the West, you’d definitely be blind to think otherwise.

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          You had me in the first sentence; not gonna lie. The second one, though, just goes off the rails.

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          “The West” is a bit too broad don’t you think.

          I think that’s blinkered, if not blind. Definitely.

          And that username… (edit: oh look they just changed it from “ArgumentativeMonotheist” to “YappyMonotheist”)

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    Here are the global knock-on effects of Trumpism. The world has been afraid of this for years. And mind you, it’s not because the USA is losing its grip, its role of world police. It’s because of fucked-up diplomacy dominated by egomania, backing the wrong allies in the wrong way. And being so dumb that you’re easily exploitable.

    I’m sorry for once again seeing every conflict through USian eyes - Americans do that well enough by themselves - but in this case it’s just true. Fuck Trump, Fuck Netanyahu. Let’s hope this nightmare ends soon.


    From the article:

    A U.S. official told CNN that the United States had no involvement or assistance in the Israeli strikes

    Um, sure. No involvement at all during the last 8 decades.

    And Netanyahu:

    “This is a clear and present danger to Israel’s very survival. 80 years ago the Jewish people were the victims of a holocaust perpetrated by the Nazi regime. Today, the Jewish state refuses to be a victim of a nuclear holocaust, perpetrated by the Iranian regime.”

    ‌ Of course they stick to that one however nonsensical it has become, considering Israel is the Nazi regime now, inflicting its own holocaust on others.

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      “I think it’s been excellent. We gave them a chance and they didn’t take it,” Trump told ABC on Friday morning. “They got hit hard, very hard. They got hit about as hard as you’re going to get hit. And there’s more to come, a lot more.”

      This sounds very “not involved”

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    Crazy that within just a couple weeks Ukraine and now Israel have successfully smuggled drones into a country. Terrifying new vector of war.

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        I think I don’t like war. Period.

        I can realistically understand the reasons given for it, but that’s never going to make me like it.

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            I mean yeah, democratic decline, dwindling ressources and climate change are putting the world on a path to a lot more conflict. This is going to be the new normal going forward if we don’t manage to stop the underlying problems. Doesn’t mean there will be a massive world war, but it definitely means there will be more significant wars.

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      Will not, world war cost a lot for the country involved, this might just be another regional war and proxy war combined.

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        What will the USA and Israel do? Bomb them to death and? Invade? Without an army in the ground you can’t really win. Which of their lackeys can they send, the turks? The saudis? Good luck with that.

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          Take out the Iranian regime that’s holding their country hostage and Iranians will do the rest themselves.