For their unsatisfiable thirst of power?

So not the liberals (and the capitalists that they truly represent) who can get down to “business as usual” after the fascists brutally repressed the working class for them, eh?

It’s a little bit of a chicken-egg situation

No, it isn’t.

Gustav Krupp, Wilhelm von Opel, Albert Vögler - oh-so-liberal Weimar Germany’s richest and most “respectable.” Would you qualify them as chickens or eggs?

our wannabe-Nazi Elon

Do you think that Elon will be hurt much if they fine him a measly 15% of his assets, like they did with Hitler-benefactor Fritz Thyssen?

The goal of these both are similar: freedom.

Liberalism’s aim is the freedom of the capitalist, and the indentured servitude of everyone else.

So you agree with me?

No.

but they definitely maintain it

For whom? Who really wins when the fascists leave power? The very same class of people who funded them into power in the first place, perhaps? How are the descendents of the capitalists who funded Nazi Germany and Showa Japan doing these days? How are the corporations doing that coined it during the Pinochet-regime in Chile or the Apartheid-regime in South Africa?

That is perfectly black and white.

But (true) liberalism is not fascism

At what point was liberalism not colonialist? At what point was it not capitalist? Liberalism created the systems of wealth accumulation and labour exploitation that keeps the (so-called) “1st world” rich… so who do you think they keep around to protect all of this from the people all this wealth and labour was stolen from?

I consider liberalism closer to anarchism

Then you understand neither.

I don’t think we ever had “real” communism,

No argument here.

No it doesn’t,

How many times will the liberal establishments have to blatantly show you what it truly is before you believe them? They’ve been doing it at least since 1919, but it has never been more blatant than now.

Since you’re European, I’d like to know what thought-terminating cliches you use to explain to yourself why Germany’s oh-so-liberal political establishment has co-existed, side-by-side, with a securotocracy that was filled to the brim with Nazi war criminals ever since the end of WW2.

You’d think the oh-so-liberal Global North being exposed red-handed funding yet another colonialist genocide would make a dent in those cliches, but I guess it’s true what the anarchists say… scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds.

Fascism is definitely concentrating on centralizing power,

Fascists don’t “concentrate” power - they are HANDED power that has ALREADY been concentrated FOR them. You wanna guess who it is that concentrates it before handing it over to them? Do tell… how has police funding been doing under all these liberal regimes in Europe, eh?

Let me ELI5 it to you so that you cannot claim nobody told you.

The capitalist ruling elite, like all ruling elites throughout history, requires TWO things to stabilize their own power and privilege. They need a way to CO-OPT certain segments of the populace they rule over, and a way to brutally REPRESS those parts they can’t or don’t want to co-opt. Carrot and stick - no need for a fancy poli-sci degree to understand this.

Therefore, the capitalists have developed a POLITICAL wing, which we call “liberalism,” and a REPRESSIVE wing, which we call “fascism.” That is what they have been since the start (ie, long before Mussolini gave fascism a name) - and which one you get depends on how much of a threat the capitalists think you pose to their precious world order.

Fascism and liberalism is joined at the hip - you can’t have one without the other.

Yes that’s what we’re Increasingly moving towards.

Nope. We’ve been there for a long, long time now. People are only figuring it out now, though.

Beware though, that all of this is a spectrum…

The (so-called) “political spectrum” becomes perfectly irrelevant once you understand WHY and HOW our political establishments dangle the liberal carrot and the fascist stick before us.

You don’t want to know why the liberals keep fascists around?

They do say ignorance is bliss - maybe that applies to you.

they don’t have control of state militaries

Of course they don’t. They don’t need direct control of the military. That’s what their pet political establishment is there for. You know… the political establishment who gets to decide who they will ALLOW you to vote for every four years?

In fascism, the state is at the top

And liberalism differs from that… how?

and become an extension of the government

And what did you think the Military-Industrial Complex was?

You’re not describing anything here that differs from liberalism in any fundamental way. You’re not wrong - I just don’t think you realize the full implications of what it is you are saying.

It doesn’t matter how much money you have,

We’re not talking about the surgeon who lives in the nice part of town and drives a Merc here… we are talking about the capitalist class who controls ALL of our society INCLUDING it’s repression apparatus. And Trump, an incompetent capitalist nepobaby cosplaying as a fascist, needs Zuckerberg far more than Zuckerberg needs Trump. Trump knows it, and the entire US political establishment knows it.

The billionaire parasite class ARE the people in charge.

The fascists serve them, genius. That’s the whole point of fascism.

Critics see the move as an attempt to cater to the incoming Trump administration and avoid political retaliation,

Give me a break. Since when does the billionaire parasite class have anything to fear from the US establishment?

Americans went for a second helping at the trough of fascism.

The US has been pro-fascist long, long before Mussolini gave it a name.

At least they learned from their mistake, unlike the US.

If Brazil had learned from it’s mistake it WOULDN’T HAVE ALLOWED A FASCIST INTO POWER, genius.

And now it isn’t, that’s democracy,

Abso-fucking-lutely not. Fascists would NEVER be able to gain power in a truly democratic society. No ifs, ands or butts.

Fascists are funded into power (and into existence) by CAPITALISTS - adherents to an ideology that is violently incompatible with anything that can be called democratic with a straight face.

Brazil is not a democratic society. It is a (so-called) “liberal democracy” - something that can be more accurately described as 95% capitalism with some fake democracy substitute thrown in as a legitimising measure.

That is THE WHOLE POINT of liberalism.

Brazil is a good world citizen.

Uhhh, did you forget that Brazil was being run by a fascist war criminal just a short while ago?