Any e-mail service that doesn’t provide standard IMAP/SMTP directly to their servers and uses custom protocols is yet another attempt at vendor lock-in and nobody should use it.

What Proton is doing is pushing for vendor lock-in at any possible point so you’re stuck with what they deem acceptable because it’s easier for them to build a service this way and makes more sense from a business / customer retention perspective. Proton is doing to e-mail about the same that WhatsApp and Messenger did to messaging - instead of just using an open protocol like XMPP they opted for their closed thing in order to lock people into their apps. People in this community seem to be okay with this just because they sell the “privacy” cool-aid.

People complain when others use Google or Microsoft for e-mail around here, but at least in those providers you can access your e-mail through standard protocols. How ironic it is to see privacy / freedom die hard fans suddenly going for a company that is far less open than the big providers… just because of marketing. :)

Proton is just a company that wants profits and found out there was a niche of people who would buy into everything that they label as “encryption” and “privacy” no matter what the cost. They’ve learnt how to weaponize “privacy” to push more and more vendor lock-in. Not even Apple does this bullshit.

Now, I can see anyone commenting “oh but they have to it because of security” - no they don’t. That’s bullshit.

Any generic IMAP/SMPT provider + Thunderbird + PGP will provide the same level of security that Proton does - that is assuming they didn’t mess their client-side encryption/decryption or key storage in some way. PGP makes sure all your e-mail content is encrypted and that’s it, doesn’t matter if it’s done by Thunderbird and the e-mails are stored in Gmail OR if it’s done by the Proton bridge and the e-mails are on their servers, the same PGP tech the only difference is the client. So, no, there isn’t the reason to do it the way they do it besides vendor lock-in.

And since when did I offend you? Unless… you’ve been “grumble quietly until a final straw is added to the stack”

It’s funny how people completely lost their minds when they could see a potential connection between what he said and some political side while those same people are perfectly fine with ignoring what’s really wrong with Proton and its marketing - even though it all goes against their core beliefs of “privacy” “security” “open-source” etc.

Edit to include what I didn’t have time to type:

Any e-mail service that doesn’t provide standard IMAP/SMTP directly to their servers and uses custom protocols is yet another attempt at vendor lock-in and nobody should use it.

What Proton is doing is pushing for vendor lock-in at any possible point so you’re stuck with what they deem acceptable because it’s easier for them to build a service this way and makes more sense from a business / customer retention perspective. Proton is doing to e-mail about the same that WhatsApp and Messenger did to messaging - instead of just using an open protocol like XMPP they opted for their closed thing in order to lock people into their apps. People in this community seem to be okay with this just because they sell the “privacy” cool-aid.

People complain when others use Google or Microsoft for e-mail around here, but at least in those providers you can access your e-mail through standard protocols. How ironic it is to see privacy / freedom die hard fans suddenly going for a company that is far less open than the big providers… just because of marketing. :)

Proton is just a company that wants profits and found out there was a niche of people who would buy into everything that they label as “encryption” and “privacy” no matter what the cost. They’ve learnt how to weaponize “privacy” to push more and more vendor lock-in. Not even Apple does this bullshit.

Now, I can see anyone commenting “oh but they have to it because of security” - no they don’t. That’s bullshit.

Any generic IMAP/SMPT provider + Thunderbird + PGP will provide the same level of security that Proton does - that is assuming they didn’t mess their client-side encryption/decryption or key storage in some way. PGP makes sure all your e-mail content is encrypted and that’s it, doesn’t matter if it’s done by Thunderbird and the e-mails are stored in Gmail OR if it’s done by the Proton bridge and the e-mails are on their servers, the same PGP tech the only difference is the client. So, no, there isn’t the reason to do it the way they do it besides vendor lock-in.

What a piss of an excuse that is ahah

And why do you need to go back?

This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that’s it. lol

I love how journalism is all garbage, even the one around technology. It just took a bunch of declarations and suddenly Meta/FB is the target to avoid and cancel. As if there weren’t many more and much better reasons to NOT use those platforms than this simple and expected political realignment.

Well, the problem is… they did: https://developer.arm.com/Architectures/Unified Extensible Firmware Interface

But then came along the Pi guys that should’ve implemented an UEFI to push the market into that direction but never did.

The new Snapdragon X machines actually seem to have UEFIs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Damzgq5Bg&t=978s&pp=2AHSB5ACAQ%3D%3D

But we need more, tablets with open boot and drivers are important.

Yet another year, yet another “this is going to be the year of the Linux desktop”.

What would make Linux actually work out was if GNOME got their shit together instead of wasting time and resources on pointless stuff. Another big thing with Linux would be if someone could get some vendor like Lenovo to open all their ARM tablets, implement an UEFI like they should have from the start and provide basic drivers.

Linux is useless for the majority of regular users, at least for work, because you don’t have xyz proprietary software, however it could work out well as a home machine for web surfing and simple documents. People would probably be happy to buy cheap ~200$ tablets from Lenovo and get a full desktop experience from those.