Michael

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The world could indeed learn a whole lot from China’s efficiency, how they do business, and specifically from their advances in manufacturing.

I see their point, but I disapprove of contributing to the destruction of the environment (from lengthy transport or industry potentially not using best emergent practices) because it’s “cheaper” and that’s what I was trying to touch on.

I’m no fan of Trump or his policies, but I don’t think it’s a necessarily a bad thing that he’s encouraging American industry to develop (even if his reasons for doing so are vastly different from my own) - but as they pointed out - his policies are hilariously not to much effect, if any.

If products produced in China and sold here in the US are “bad”, it’s solely the fault of the American capitalists who don’t have a care in the world besides selling the lowest common denominator in mass quantities, with no quality control on their side, consumer support, or care for how it’s made or transported. And of course those who blindly consume are responsible as well.

If products are made in China and consumed in the states, there is usually no way to have things repaired or serviced as a consumer. We also have no idea what chemicals are being used and are exposing ourselves to and we can’t directly control or quantify emissions from Chinese factories besides voting with our wallets. A lot of waste is produced because nothing is built to last - not because it was made in China, but because it was all orchestrated by uncaring capitalists.

If the global supply chain was localized to geographic regions, we can greatly reduce emissions from transport. With regulation and our technological advances, we can also build new industry that is significantly less harmful to the environment and the people that work and live around it. I’m not claiming that China isn’t implementing new policies or practices or trying to make light of their efforts to reduce their emissions.

Their company is not just a software development company - they are presumably designing hardware, having it produced, and selling said hardware.

If you can’t answer basic questions about the product you want produced, as a company selling hardware, then clearly you need to hire somebody who can answer those basic questions and deal with the manufacturing side of the business.

There are just very few companies left still working in manufacturing in the US, and of course they are selective about the clients they take and the projects they work on. If you can’t form healthy business relationships and learn to do business without calling people that you deal with babies for having questions or requirements, then perhaps it’s possible that you strongly consider contracting with another company to manufacture the hardware for your software.

It’s highly inefficient and harmful to the environment to ship steel across the world. We need to stop unsustainable practices, produce products locally, and develop economies of scale that make sense instead of simply “offsetting” emissions or relying on carbon capture that is not directly integrated into our industry.

That all being said, the world could learn a whole lot from Chinese manufacturing processes.

Yes, from my understanding as an outsider and layman, of course. From my perspective, the observation and insights developed from the R4L project will make Linux much stronger project overall moving forwards.

Social media is virtual town hall and a place for many to vent and deal with their emotions - not everybody is perfect and uses the internet the way you approve of. It’s truly no different in essence than the LKML or other public-facing communication platforms - it just has more voices and more free engagement. We can be big people who express ourselves any way we’d like as long as we respect others the way we’d like to be respected.

I don’t advocate for shaming because I wouldn’t want it done to me, but I don’t see Hector acting in bad faith, and their actions are questionably hostile because Hector clearly wavered in their approach. They are under a lot of stress and are obviously motivated by the feelings of the other R4L maintainers and their issues - Hector’s good faith and empathy is plain to see. They are very upset that others are being disrespected, that their work is being unnecessarily questioned, and that their efforts overall are likened to a “cancer” while people openly stand in their way.

Did Hector disrespect the maintainer in question? Did Hector call people to action in order to shame the maintainer in question? Their initial intention did matter, of course, and I was not able to read the drama in question on social media because it appears to be removed. Hector certainly wanted the maintainer removed, which I don’t personally agree is ideal or fair, but it’s not their decision and it’s not social media’s decision.

On the flip-side in this instance, I similarly see somebody who brings up valid issues with splitting the codebase accompanied by a lot of emotions spilling out (like seeing Rust as a cancer, and vowing to stop it from spreading in the codebase further), but I personally fail to see how that is their problem if the code isn’t going to involve them. It’s up to Linus and the larger LKML community to discuss the form in which Rust will take in the Linux kernel.

Clearly a discussion that could be had with Hector included, but there is a lot of hostility towards larger public focus coming from Linus, and he effectively shut the discussion down and accused Hector of being the problem. There certainly are problems all around, from my perspective, but all of that could’ve been resolved, and still can.

Rust seems to be imperative for security. I hope people in the Linux kernel community put aside their differences and find common ground for the benefit of everyone.

From my perspective as an outsider, there is a lot of apparent hostility and seemingly bad faith engagements going on in this space. Hopefully the reasons are innocuous like them just not wanting to learn a new language, to avoid increasing their workload, or to simply avoid working with the Rust team for whatever reasons they might have.

I would argue that anybody standing in the way of progress and increased security should be moved out of the way. No need for shaming or deep dives, just move the ship forward.

I’m asking out of genuine curiosity, what are they doing besides shaming others? What’s done is done - we are here now.

If they had constructive or productive intentions it could apply to the current moment even with Trump in office.

Just curious, if Kamala did the same arms transfer shortly after getting elected; how would you respond or what would you do?

Would you assure others that she is working tirelessly on a ceasefire despite her vow to always give them the ability to defend themselves?

Shh, you must be wracked with guilt because of all of your sins. Think about all the privilege one enjoys in first-world countries because corporations have single-handedly solved all of the world’s problems. /s

I do like that you signal-boosted Mullvad Browser. I think it’s a great option. And I hope somebody sees this post and gives the team a hand.

Projects like LibreWolf and Mullvad Browser are important because user settings being roughly the same across a userbase helps you to blend in. Even extensions you install can be used to fingerprint you.

and they are struggling to keep it up to date with the latest Arkenfox updates, despite putting out new releases.

Keyword is Arkenfox user.js. Which is not Firefox updates.

If the LibreWolf maintainers are overwhelmed at the frequency of commits of a project that tweaks Firefox preferences (which amounts to “sesame street numbers” according to Arkenfox developers) because they are short on time and resources, so what?