And here I am discussing, trying to not disregard ideas I am cynical of, and instead ask questions to gain understanding. Apparently that is discouraged here.

Thank you for the resource, next time lead with that and skip the insults.

It might be ignorant, but I certainly don’t get the impression at all that things are going well in Ukraine despite being exposed to this propaganda, nor do I see how it benefits NATO for its citizens to believe so. It seems to me that believing Russia is weak would make people value NATO less.

But thanks for stopping by to insult me for asking a question, really love that attitude.

If this is true, then who is generating the propaganda? Who does it benefit?

And what exactly are my opinions which are “vibe based”? The only opinions I have stated in this thread is that users are sharing blatant propaganda (one example of which you agreed with), and that I don’t see a reason why any non-bot would willingly spread propaganda.

The links you sent don’t have anything to do with what I’ve stated. It seems like you are trying to show me that Zelensky deserves to be hung, but this is irrelevant to my statement that claiming “he will be hung by his countrymen” is propaganda.

For example I might have sources as to why I think Putin should be hung, but if I went around saying that Putin will be hung by his countrymen it would be implying that he is hated by Russians, which is an outright lie and propaganda.

I’m not sure why you are misconstruing my message, I said explicitly that criticising Zelenksy is not propaganda. Once again, propaganda is when you blatantly ignore reality in an attempt to give Zelenksy (or anyone) a “bad rap”.

Implying that Zelenksy has little support from Ukrainians by claiming he will be hung by his countrymen is blatantly ignoring the statistical truth that a good majority of Ukrainians support him.

Stating that Zelenksy is the sole reason for Ukraine’s destruction is blatantly ignoring the historical truth that Russia invaded Ukraine.

Please explain to me how these are “vibe based”

I did not even reply to you, I replied to another comment which has been since deleted, and was referring to comments across this whole comment section. (Eg: “when his countrymen hang him”, or “this scumbag is responsible for destroying the country”)

Spamming russian bot

You can check my comment history, I am fairly sure that is the first time I have ever referred to a user as a Russian bot. Hardly spamming.

I disagree with your original comment mostly because of the phrasing, because I think it implies that the only reason for Ukraine to be fighting was for NATO membership (as opposed to defending their home from invaders) but your clarification about Ukraine being stuck between two evils I can agree with, or at least find reasonable.

Edit: added examples above

I can’t prove any user are bots, though that is my opinion because I can’t comprehend any other reason for their behaviour. And the blind propaganda is all the messages framing Zelensky as the cause of Ukraine’s destruction while willfully ignoring Russia’s huge involvement, or comments trying to imply he is hated by most Ukrainians (despite his approval rating being well over 50%).

To be clear, being critical of Zelensky is not propaganda, but willfully ignoring data and historical events for the sole benefit of Russia is.

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It also means that more people have to be willing to sell (or that if only a few sell, investors hold less power)

Of course everything a company does is in the best interest of the company. Even as simple as “let’s make excellent products with lifetime warrantees” benefits them by making people want to shop there.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a good thing when companies realise the customers best interest are also their best interest. We should encourage that, not scoff at it.

Duolingo is good for “tourist style” language learning, where you learn some phrases, can recognise and read a few words, etc, but next to no chance of actually pulling off a proper conversation with a local.

why are there fans of operating systems in the first place

Operating systems are huge endeavours of engineering and design by entire teams of people over decades, which are used literally daily. Is that not enough of a reason for people to be fans of them?