Chinese refiners are importing record amounts of Canadian crude after slashing purchases of U.S. oil by roughly 90 per cent amid escalating trade tensions.
  • Zacpod@lemmy.worldEnglish
    791·
    3 days ago

    I’d prefer we not sell any oil. Shit is killing the planet.
    But I’d rather sell to China than the US at this point. Trump can fuck right off with his bullshit.

    • saltesc@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      3 days ago

      We’re slowly getting there. Unfortunately our ship is a large one to turn, but if you think about it, we’re quite quick lately. The combustion age seems like it’ll be over in about ql1/20th the time of the Bronze Age. But, yes, aware the Bronze Age didn’t actively destroy our liveable environment.

      • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        3 days ago

        Yeah I believe recently for the first time more renewables powered the US grid (over a month) than fossil fuels.

        The only thing stopping that progress is the utter destruction of world trade, and well, the US is trying their damndest to do that.

        • huppakee@lemm.eeEnglish
          7·
          3 days ago

          That sure is a good thing and we’re going the right direction, sure, but globally we are still burning more fossil fuels than ever and also the effect fossil fuels have on the climate take 20 years to kick in (don’t ask me for details IANA scientist), so now we’re experiencing the damage we did until 2005 so yeah brace yourselves

      • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        We can mark human caused excess carbon emissions starting in the bronze age, thanks to polar ice cores. They just were like 0.0000001% of what we are producing today. If we had 8 billion bronze age humans, the world would be completely deforested, but the emissions might be a bit lower.

  • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    23·
    3 days ago

    And guess who canada used to sell oil to? The US… Who typically has a thirst for Canada’s nice heavy crude oils to help balance out the light, sweet crude made by most American oil fields.
    Sourcing heavy crude from other suppliers who have to bring it in via tanker, because Chinese buyers can outbid the tarriffed American buyers… Tankers are significantly more expensive than local pipelines, is going to drive the cost of middle distillates up a bunch on top of the tarriffs.

  • voluble@lemmy.caEnglish
    711·
    3 days ago

    I hope this is a lever Canada uses to get China to fuck off with their foreign interference, and stop trying to flood our auto market with their trojan horse spy EVs.

    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      105·
      3 days ago

      Can we actually get the 10 thousand dollar EVs please

      They can spy on me all they want i have no fucking clue what i do that could possibly be beneficial to Chinese intelligence that they can’t already readily find on the internet. We post everything. All the major American and Canadian corporations are already stealing and selling our data en mass. Their cars do too actually. Japanese cars as well. Any device with any connection to the internet does. Unless you’re buying something explicitly opposed to that. And even then they still do half the time.

      I’d like a cheap car that is efficient, long lasting, and well made please. Can we not also have a trade war with China. Let’s not do that. It’s not going to end well for America. I’d love to stop driving a gas car. I will almost certainly never be able to do so with American made vehicles. I’d love it if China flooded our auto market with EVs. Can we get a petition going lmao

      • voluble@lemmy.caEnglish
        58·
        3 days ago

        I disagree.

        Don’t forget that China is an oppressive dictatorship that is actively antagonistic to Canadian sovereignty. Consider the risks that increased Chinese government surveillance would pose to Chinese Canadians who speak out against China, and the increased control their government would have as a result. Just because you don’t believe you have anything to hide, doesn’t mean that nobody has anything to hide.

        Consider also, that on an atomic level, data isn’t powerful, but it is powerful in aggregate. Consider the realtime advantage a hostile foreign power would have in a wartime scenario with cameras and microphones in even a fraction of the vehicles on the road.

        Chinese EVs are a very bad idea for national security and they shouldn’t be allowed in Canada under any circumstance. These concerns don’t extend to Japan, South Korea, or Europe, they aren’t actively antagonistic to Canadian sovereignty.

        • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          82·
          3 days ago

          How can my car data, which in all connected vehicles from anywhere is already available and being sold online to whoever wants it, prove a security risk to Canada? How can they car censor me? And why would they want to? We all buy their shit constantly. You’re living in a house that is, in all likelihood, half Chinese produced products. They want to sell their cars to us because they can undercut all the regional competition and make massive profits in our market.

          China already provides at least half of the products we use in day to day life. If they wanted to strong arm us into joining their country, or whatever you mean by sovereignty, they could do so tomorrow by cutting us off. Significant sectors of our economy would collapse. I don’t see why this would benefit them though. They don’t have to turn themselves into an international pariah to get all our resources. We trade them willingly.

          A far greater threat to our sovereignty is the neo nazi militarized dictatorship state to our south. We are going to have to do business with China. We are in a significantly worse position without them, and the lives of our citizens are drastically affected in that scenario. I don’t at all buy that China is attempting to inject itself in Canadian society to censor talk about Tiananmen square or the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs. Whether we talk about those things or not changes nothing. Canada isn’t prepping to invade China over human rights grievances or something.

          In any case, EU and other East Asian markets do not have the EVs we are looking for. China is the world’s leader in EV markets. Nearly every top EV company globally is Chinese. EU is buying Chinese EVs. Pretty much everywhere else is also buying them. Because the alternatives are invest in massive public transportation infrastructure (all for this) or develop a decades’ worth of technology that China has and everyone else doesn’t. The answer in that situation is pretty easy for most governments to make.

          Canada is nowhere close to viable nationwide public transportation. If we started today, we could have it in maybe a decade. It’s not happening at all right now. I happen to live in an area with none whatsoever. Local busses are twice a day kind of deal. If you have a job you need a car or to live within walking distance of your work. So I’m going to need a car for the foreseeable future. The car I can afford is a used gas engine car. Barring Chinese EV introduction to Canadian markets, I will be driving a gasoline car for at least another decade or 2. I can’t afford to save up the kind of money needed to afford a new EV at the costs regional dealers are charging for them. It just won’t happen. I also can’t loan or lease because I’m not an idiot. So I’m stuck with gas until Chinese EVs are brought in or until another international manufacturer becomes competitive with them, which due to the technology divide, could be quite a while.

          For all those reasons and more, yes I’d be absolutely delighted to hear that Chinese EVs were coming to Canada.

    • huppakee@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      3 days ago

      I hope so too, but my guess is that the most you can get is them trying harder to do it undetected. Gathering, spreading, controlling and using information seems to be their only modus operandi for getting others to do what they want.

  • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    334·
    3 days ago

    America is no rookie when it comes to threatening & invading countries for their oil, it’s a shame Canada has little means of defence and the liberals are further taking that defence away.

    Conservatives are not much better however, we can no longer rely on the US for national security.

    Elections are coming up folks, pick wisely between the two evils.

    • Jack_Burton@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      2 days ago

      Trudeau’s Liberals increased defense funding from Harper’s Conservative gov’t and Carney’s Liberals just bought a $6bil state-of-the-art early warning radar defense system from Australia. Seems the Libs take defense more seriously than the Cons.

    • Cyclist@lemmy.worldEnglish
      73·
      3 days ago

      Anybody who thinks the US will actually invade Canada is delusional. Trump might try but too many States would oppose him, too many military personnel would say no.

      • huppakee@lemm.eeEnglish
        9·
        3 days ago

        Even 3 months ago I’d agree with you, but if I see how much unthinkable stuff Trump did get done. Who knows he’ll invade Mexico, kidnaps the gangs and then hires them to take control of Canada’s oil fields & pipelines. Or hires Russians to throw Canadian politicians and oil field owners out of windows until Canada surrenders.

    • Laser@lemmy.caEnglish
      34·
      3 days ago

      Come to Canada and find out how weak our defense is! We’ll be waiting for you muricans

      • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        312·
        3 days ago

        Come to Canada and find out how weak our defense is!

        Ah yes, I’m sure once October hits and the liberals start confiscating people’s semi-automatic rifles everyone will feel so safe!

        Fun fact 604 area code is Vancouver.