Given that answer, and that Palestinians don’t currently live in the bits of the region that Israel occupies (whether legally or illegally) it seems you understand that if you leave a place you don’t have an eternal right to move back there, but that nevertheless for some length of time you retain such a claim.
I think that’s the key to understanding why it can get a bit complicated…
It is only complicated because of after ww2 the allies decided to carve up land that they did not own and did not ask the people who lived there where boarders should be. They also kicked out those that lived in Palestine and gave it to people who had not lived there in over 400 years. When outsiders who don’t live in an area make decisions for those that do shit goes wrong.
People say this all the time but this is not the reason it’s complicated. There were already hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the region by that point - Zionist migration to Palestine started in the 19th century, and that had been the cause of tensions for decades already. Hundreds of thousands more wanted to leave the Europe that had just tried to murder them again. If the Allies had just decided to bugger off and leave them to it the result would have been far from peaceful. As it was, they tried to achieve a compromise through the UN. They failed at that task but not because they “decided to carve up land.” Britain in particular refused to implement the partition plan recommended by the UN special committee because it was not acceptable to the Arabs.
In 1947 jews made up 32% of the population in Palestine 630,000 out of 1,970,000. In 1948 jews made up 82% 716,700 out of 872,700. Somebody must have moved over a million people out of Palestine to make Israel. Forcibly removing people that had lived there since it was owned by the Ottoman Empire would make them angry and wanting their land back.
Zionism among jews who never left Palestine was not popular, Israel couldn’t exists with only the local jews alone. European jews who lost the connection to the land had are the reason why Israel was created and had zero right to the land
I never said that. I said the Zionist foreigners back then has no right to impose a state on the local population . Their descendent can’t be displaced because they where born in Israel
It’s like saying that European settlers in America had no right to take control on most of the land back in the 15 centuries is a call to expel all current Americans back to Europe
This isn’t ancient history, this is so within our memorable lifetime. Palestinians were slaughtered and forced out within living memory and a lot of them are still alive and have the keys to they’re stolen homes.
Jacob from New York does not have the same claim to the land his ancestors occupied thousands of years ago, as the Palestinian who built the literal house he stole after living on the land occupied by her ancestors for all recorded history.
Yes, but I think that supports restarting from the 1940s, not from the 1700s. By 1947 there were hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the territory that now forms Israel and Palestine.
“Moved there by European colonialists”? Which colonialists were these who were picking up European Jews and dropping them off in Palestine?
Jews mostly moved there due to getting sick of being repeatedly pogromed in Europe. So if by “moved there by” you mean “repeatedly forced out by” then kinda.
Given that answer, and that Palestinians don’t currently live in the bits of the region that Israel occupies (whether legally or illegally) it seems you understand that if you leave a place you don’t have an eternal right to move back there, but that nevertheless for some length of time you retain such a claim.
I think that’s the key to understanding why it can get a bit complicated…
It is only complicated because of after ww2 the allies decided to carve up land that they did not own and did not ask the people who lived there where boarders should be. They also kicked out those that lived in Palestine and gave it to people who had not lived there in over 400 years. When outsiders who don’t live in an area make decisions for those that do shit goes wrong.
People say this all the time but this is not the reason it’s complicated. There were already hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the region by that point - Zionist migration to Palestine started in the 19th century, and that had been the cause of tensions for decades already. Hundreds of thousands more wanted to leave the Europe that had just tried to murder them again. If the Allies had just decided to bugger off and leave them to it the result would have been far from peaceful. As it was, they tried to achieve a compromise through the UN. They failed at that task but not because they “decided to carve up land.” Britain in particular refused to implement the partition plan recommended by the UN special committee because it was not acceptable to the Arabs.
In 1947 jews made up 32% of the population in Palestine 630,000 out of 1,970,000. In 1948 jews made up 82% 716,700 out of 872,700. Somebody must have moved over a million people out of Palestine to make Israel. Forcibly removing people that had lived there since it was owned by the Ottoman Empire would make them angry and wanting their land back.
Zionism among jews who never left Palestine was not popular, Israel couldn’t exists with only the local jews alone. European jews who lost the connection to the land had are the reason why Israel was created and had zero right to the land
So do you think that now, in 2025, Jewish families who moved to Palestine in 1925 have no right to be there?
I never said that. I said the Zionist foreigners back then has no right to impose a state on the local population . Their descendent can’t be displaced because they where born in Israel
It’s like saying that European settlers in America had no right to take control on most of the land back in the 15 centuries is a call to expel all current Americans back to Europe
This isn’t ancient history, this is so within our memorable lifetime. Palestinians were slaughtered and forced out within living memory and a lot of them are still alive and have the keys to they’re stolen homes.
Jacob from New York does not have the same claim to the land his ancestors occupied thousands of years ago, as the Palestinian who built the literal house he stole after living on the land occupied by her ancestors for all recorded history.
It’s not complicated at all.
You left out the part when Israelis continuing forcing Palestinians off their land to this day.
It’s a bit different when you’re forcibly removed from your home, no?
Yes, but I think that supports restarting from the 1940s, not from the 1700s. By 1947 there were hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the territory that now forms Israel and Palestine.
They were moved there by European colonialists who didn’t give a shit about the natives who already lived there.
“Moved there by European colonialists”? Which colonialists were these who were picking up European Jews and dropping them off in Palestine?
Jews mostly moved there due to getting sick of being repeatedly pogromed in Europe. So if by “moved there by” you mean “repeatedly forced out by” then kinda.
After WW2? Are you kidding? Read a history book