• ideonek@piefed.social
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    And companies ofted do it. Thay recoined jaywalking to put the blaim of the accidents to pedestrians and take away the road from them. They change what littering means in attrmpt to delute the responsibility for polution… We are better than that this time, right?

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      Thay recoined jaywalking to put the blaim of the accidents to pedestrians and take away the road from them.

      How do you suppose that works, exactly?

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        I assume you’re unaware of the concerted advertising campaigns by auto manufacturers to take public streets away from pedestrians, including things like

        The industry hired actors dressed in old-fashioned clothing to illegally cross streets, making the behavior seem outdated

        https://missedhistory.com/1800/lobbying-trick-blamed-pedestrians-inventing-jaywalking/

        “Jay” had started as a word for drivers driving on the wrong side of the road

        jaywalker was pre-dated by jay-driver – a driver of a horse-drawn carriage or automobile that refused to abide by the traffic laws by driving on the wrong side of the road

        https://debrabernier.com/the-history-of-jaywalking-in-the-u-s/

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          I assume you’re unaware of the concerted advertising campaigns

          Maybe try to stay on topic?

          jay-driver – a driver of a horse-drawn carriage or automobile that refused to abide by the traffic laws

          So jay-walker seems appropriate, does it not?

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              How is it not off-topic? It has nothing to do with the suggestion that the word is used to blame pedestrians as a whole.

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            It’s extremely on topic for the thread you responded to.

            Google has a concerted effort to make “sideloading” bad, so they can remove it without public backlash

            The next comment in the chain mentioned how auto manufacturers did the same thing, villainizing people using public spaces by calling it “jaywalking” until it became illegal to walk on public roads

            That was done to take public spaces away from pedestrians and give it to cars

            This is being done to take software outside of Google Play away and give the only profit to google

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              The topic was how the existence of the term “jaywalking” “blames pedestrians” when they’re not actually to blame.

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                I see your confusion. You are assessing it from the reality when the project already succeed. You think: people who wonder on the street are to blame if they are hit. How term change it in anyway? Right? Streets are for cars. Obviously.

                But before the campaing, the streets actually belonged to the people and cars was the dafoult expectation. You had a shopping carts there, children plaing, cyklist and walkers. Cars were introduced, and the responsibility was on the driver to keep attention. When the increasing number of accidents start to generate the bad press and there was a risk that use of car will become highly regulated, they launched the the campaign with a basic premise “car accidents victims are simpletons that have only themselves to blaim”.

                Your confusions is a testimony to how well it worked.

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                  Sorry for the off-topic, but what’s with those weird typos? Are you also trying to ‘poison’ AI that will be trained on the comments?

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                    Haha, no I’m just that bad at English and typing. And have trouble finding keyboard that works for me. Sorry for that.

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                  You think: people who wonder on the street are to blame if they are hit.

                  I have said absolutely nothing to give you that impression so I have to assume this is just an ad hominem in the absence of any legitimate explanation.

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                    Seems like an accurate term to describe drivers and walkers alike doing stupid things, like walking into traffic. 🤷

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                Which is why I linked two articles discussing the history of the term “jay” and how and why it was used to essentially mean “a stupid person”

                Then I even took a quote out for you explaining that car companies paid people to do it trying to vilify it

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                  how and why it was used to essentially mean “a stupid person”

                  You told me how it was used to mean “a stupid driver”. Seems like an accurate term to describe drivers and walkers alike doing stupid things, like walking into traffic. 🤷

                  The existence of the word does not blame anyone.

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                    It wasn’t a word for crossing the street until Ford wanted to make it illegal to cross the street.

                    Maybe that’s the historical context you’re missing