Deeply religious people should not be judges. Their judgement is inevitably biased. People’s lives should not depend on the religious choices and opinions of people in power.
Would you say the same about women? What about queer people? What about the social class? What about ethnicity? What about deelpy atheist people?
For any group identity you can make such claims of biases. Instead of excluding everyone from becoming judges, because everyone will have some form of bias, we should look by their qualifications and act if they show clear biases making them unfit. In this case the ICJ vice-president showed a clear bias making her unfit. However before making religious claims she already was a mouth-piece for Israel in the court and there is reason to believe her being blackmailed or bribed.
There is a reason why there is so many judges on the ICJ and why most supreme courts have a high number of judges. It is to limit biases going into the decision by having a wide range of people, whose inevitable biases are cancelled out against each other.
Being a woman, or a queer person, or ethnicity are not belief systems, they are biological traits. Even financial status is not a belief system. Religion is a belief system by definition. Like politics are. But politics can be studied historically and analised socially and economically, and can be chosen based on data and evidence. Religion is a belief system based on no evidence whatsoever. Religion is akin to superstition: a belief unsupported by evidence. There are thousands of religions in the world, each one believing different things, each one claiming to be The Ultimate Truth and - what’s worse- to be above human laws. Picking one is completely arbitrary (usually determined by upbringing).
Judges working under the influence of different religions rule differently on the same topics.
I’ll prove you that qualifications alone are not enough: if I had the appropriate qualifications to become a Supreme Court judge, but I claimed that the Sacred Pink Unicorn, supreme Goddess of Truth, guides my judgment and speaks to me in my dreams and tells me what’s wrong and what’s right, would you consider my impeccable qualifications enough? The only difference between the Sacred Pink Unicorn and any other deity is the number of people believing in it.
A judge who is spiritual may still maintain objectivity, but a judge who is deeply religious cannot be trusted to be objective, in my opinion.
Being a woman, or a queer person, or ethnicity are not belief systems, they are biological traits.
There is many bigots who claim the contrary and there is an entire culture war going on right now on the claim that whether people being openly queer or women doing “manly” things are doing so from an agenda. Making the same claims against religious people or “deeply religious people” is equally wrong. Also “deeply religious” is an arbitrary concept similar to saying someone is “too queer” or that a women would be “too much out of line” or similar nonsense.
Even financial status is not a belief system.
There is a lot of empirical results that show a strong correlation between wealth and ideologies. Also just very basically, judges for the most part come from higher financial classes which limits the life experience they have to understand the situation of poor people. Again the point is to move from the generalization to look at the specific person in question. E.g. a judge that has a track record of decisions favoring wealthy people probably has a problematic bias, but there is judges who do not show such biases.
But politics can be studied historically and analised socially and economically, and can be chosen based on data and evidence.
Economists literally have “schools of thought” that they choose to follow. Those are believe systems. Any good sociologist, ethnologist, historian, anthropologist and other humanities researcher will acknowledge that they are biased and that their analysis and interpretation remain subjective. It is very common to have two diametrically opposed interpretations of the same set of “data and evidence”.
There are thousands of religions in the world, each one believing different things, each one claiming to be The Ultimate Truth and - what’s worse- to be above human laws. Picking one is completely arbitrary (usually determined by upbringing).
That is a very generalized claim that seems to come from a place of anti-religious belief, rather than an empirical analysis. Very basically there is more than 4 billion religious people in the world. If a relevant number of them would believe to be above human laws, society would look very different.
Judges working under the influence of different religions rule differently on the same topics.
So do judges of different gender, ethnicity and other group identities. If you believe that these play no role, then you would see no need for representation in higher courts.
I’ll prove you that qualifications alone are not enough: if I had the appropriate qualifications to become a Supreme Court judge, but I claimed that the Sacred Pink Unicorn,
You are arguing against a straw man here. I said: “we should look by their qualifications and act if they show clear biases making them unfit”
As you make up the straw man as a generalization against religious people as a whole, or your arbitrary category of “deeply religious people”, you are engaging in bigotry as you generalize onto a broad group of people. The same can be seen by the culture warriors attacking women, queers, racialized groups…
All of your arguments are subjective and the result of your prejudice against religious people. I think these prejudice are working by the same mechanisms like prejudice against other group identities and i hope that this helps you to question and overcome them.
All laws written by humans are a common belief system and “inherently unprovable”. There is no proof why the constitution of the United States would be better or worse than the constitution of France. There is no proof why international law would be right or wrong. Try explaining the Geneva convention to the emperors of the past… All of these are based on shared values and entirely dependent on the human subjects, not some objective fact.
You are constructing a justification for bigotry, by saying that it is acceptable to exclude one group of people based on your generalizations against them. I tried to show you that it is arbitrary as all bigotry is.
Most laws are based in reducing human suffering, including religious text. Don’t use chemical weapons? Yeah, cool. Gurgling on your own intestines sounds like a pretty sweet thing to not have to worry about. Most of the 10 commandments are little more than “don’t be a dick of a human”. But religion has a way of taking it too far and instead start increasing suffering. Waging wars because the land is “rightfully” theirs. Honour killings because they love the wrong person. Enriching themselves at the cost of others, justifying it by saying god is rewarding them for their loyalty.
LGBTQ+, feminism, BLM and so on are there to reduce suffering and grant humans the rights they deserve. If a queer judge is biased towards not making their fellow queer people suffer more, then I don’t see a problem with that. If a judge has a bias towards continuing genocide, then yeah, there’s an issue.
Deeply religious people should not be judges. Their judgement is inevitably biased. People’s lives should not depend on the religious choices and opinions of people in power.
Would you say the same about women? What about queer people? What about the social class? What about ethnicity? What about deelpy atheist people?
For any group identity you can make such claims of biases. Instead of excluding everyone from becoming judges, because everyone will have some form of bias, we should look by their qualifications and act if they show clear biases making them unfit. In this case the ICJ vice-president showed a clear bias making her unfit. However before making religious claims she already was a mouth-piece for Israel in the court and there is reason to believe her being blackmailed or bribed.
There is a reason why there is so many judges on the ICJ and why most supreme courts have a high number of judges. It is to limit biases going into the decision by having a wide range of people, whose inevitable biases are cancelled out against each other.
Being a woman, or a queer person, or ethnicity are not belief systems, they are biological traits. Even financial status is not a belief system. Religion is a belief system by definition. Like politics are. But politics can be studied historically and analised socially and economically, and can be chosen based on data and evidence. Religion is a belief system based on no evidence whatsoever. Religion is akin to superstition: a belief unsupported by evidence. There are thousands of religions in the world, each one believing different things, each one claiming to be The Ultimate Truth and - what’s worse- to be above human laws. Picking one is completely arbitrary (usually determined by upbringing). Judges working under the influence of different religions rule differently on the same topics.
I’ll prove you that qualifications alone are not enough: if I had the appropriate qualifications to become a Supreme Court judge, but I claimed that the Sacred Pink Unicorn, supreme Goddess of Truth, guides my judgment and speaks to me in my dreams and tells me what’s wrong and what’s right, would you consider my impeccable qualifications enough? The only difference between the Sacred Pink Unicorn and any other deity is the number of people believing in it.
A judge who is spiritual may still maintain objectivity, but a judge who is deeply religious cannot be trusted to be objective, in my opinion.
There is many bigots who claim the contrary and there is an entire culture war going on right now on the claim that whether people being openly queer or women doing “manly” things are doing so from an agenda. Making the same claims against religious people or “deeply religious people” is equally wrong. Also “deeply religious” is an arbitrary concept similar to saying someone is “too queer” or that a women would be “too much out of line” or similar nonsense.
There is a lot of empirical results that show a strong correlation between wealth and ideologies. Also just very basically, judges for the most part come from higher financial classes which limits the life experience they have to understand the situation of poor people. Again the point is to move from the generalization to look at the specific person in question. E.g. a judge that has a track record of decisions favoring wealthy people probably has a problematic bias, but there is judges who do not show such biases.
Economists literally have “schools of thought” that they choose to follow. Those are believe systems. Any good sociologist, ethnologist, historian, anthropologist and other humanities researcher will acknowledge that they are biased and that their analysis and interpretation remain subjective. It is very common to have two diametrically opposed interpretations of the same set of “data and evidence”.
That is a very generalized claim that seems to come from a place of anti-religious belief, rather than an empirical analysis. Very basically there is more than 4 billion religious people in the world. If a relevant number of them would believe to be above human laws, society would look very different.
So do judges of different gender, ethnicity and other group identities. If you believe that these play no role, then you would see no need for representation in higher courts.
You are arguing against a straw man here. I said: “we should look by their qualifications and act if they show clear biases making them unfit”
As you make up the straw man as a generalization against religious people as a whole, or your arbitrary category of “deeply religious people”, you are engaging in bigotry as you generalize onto a broad group of people. The same can be seen by the culture warriors attacking women, queers, racialized groups…
All of your arguments are subjective and the result of your prejudice against religious people. I think these prejudice are working by the same mechanisms like prejudice against other group identities and i hope that this helps you to question and overcome them.
Do any of those groups have a shared belief dystem that is inherently unprovable? What do all women believe? What do all queers believe?
I dont want people who believe in a utopian afterlife deciding if I die or not.
Even your atheist argument sucks because their common belief is lack of belief in someone elses shite.
All laws written by humans are a common belief system and “inherently unprovable”. There is no proof why the constitution of the United States would be better or worse than the constitution of France. There is no proof why international law would be right or wrong. Try explaining the Geneva convention to the emperors of the past… All of these are based on shared values and entirely dependent on the human subjects, not some objective fact.
You are constructing a justification for bigotry, by saying that it is acceptable to exclude one group of people based on your generalizations against them. I tried to show you that it is arbitrary as all bigotry is.
What shite is this, are you comparing a social contract to diefying mythology and imposing your view on others?
This reads like the worst LLM joined a cult.
Most laws are based in reducing human suffering, including religious text. Don’t use chemical weapons? Yeah, cool. Gurgling on your own intestines sounds like a pretty sweet thing to not have to worry about. Most of the 10 commandments are little more than “don’t be a dick of a human”. But religion has a way of taking it too far and instead start increasing suffering. Waging wars because the land is “rightfully” theirs. Honour killings because they love the wrong person. Enriching themselves at the cost of others, justifying it by saying god is rewarding them for their loyalty.
LGBTQ+, feminism, BLM and so on are there to reduce suffering and grant humans the rights they deserve. If a queer judge is biased towards not making their fellow queer people suffer more, then I don’t see a problem with that. If a judge has a bias towards continuing genocide, then yeah, there’s an issue.
This is such a dumb fucking take.
I guess being a woman makes me want to punish people for not following some dumbass rule book dreamed up by some losers a long time ago.
Being gay makes me want to punish the straights and exterminate them.
My point exactly. Bigotry is wrong and making up reasons why bigotry against one group would be acceptable is just more bigotry and equally wrong.
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