French police have detained 12 suspects after 145 people reported being pricked with syringes during the country’s annual street music festival, officials said Sunday.
Millions of people took to the streets across France on Saturday evening for the Fete de la Musique, with authorities reporting “unprecedented crowds” in Paris.
Before the party, posts on social media had called for women to be targeted during the festivities.
I’m saying that in the past every incidence or this has been alleged turned out to be mass panic. And at today’s age of constant video surveillance there would be evidence, not just reports. So either this is the very first case in the world where this is actually true and we will find that out through the evidence or we’re going to find out that it’s not true and then it matches all the previous events. But police reports do not make something real.
I’m asking people to look at the evidence.
145 women speaking up is evidence of this happening
You’re not a scientist aren’t you?
145 people that think something happened isn’t evidence. Every case in the past had lots of people absolutely convinced it happened.
So let’s take this to the next step. There is video surveillance because every venue does these days. They pull the video. They watch the video. They follow the movements of every person. They see who bumped into who. If the video shows one or more people ranging too far to too many people and getting close when there is plenty of space and shows them dumping the evidence then we have actual proof that backs up the claims. Toxicology tests were performed. We find that there is something in the blood that shouldn’t be there.
You and each of the others here that are absolutely convinced that this time is the one time in history that this actually happened get vindicated.
But what if the video doesn’t show it? What if the toxicology is completely normal? Are you going to regret being so absolutely sure? Are you going to come back here and say “okay, I was wrong.”
I’m asking that you wait until the evidence is evaluated to make a decision. Reports aren’t proof. Evidence is proof. And given the history of this type of claim a little proof before judgment is absolutely warranted.
This also happened in France in 2022. People were detained, preliminary charges filed. And then the cases vanished. Not great reports of convictions. No “there is nothing to worry about, the criminals have he brought to justice.”
In this current case they have arrested maybe a dozen. If they are guilty then throw the book at them. But the guilty should come only after the evidence has been evaluated. And a report is not evidence. That’s suspicion.
Generally evidence is needed to arrest someone.
I hope France has a better track record than America for that.
You did not say we should wait for evidence, you just said it’s a panic and there is no evidence.
I said that every case in the past has been a panic. And until we find evidence this isn’t the Bayesian policies apply. Investigate and then figure out if something actually happened.
Maybe trust the victims first and if there is evidence against it doubt?
“Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence”
~ Donald Rumsfeld