If you were running a LLM locally on android through llama.cpp for use as a private personal assistant. What model would you use?
Thanks for any recommendations in advance.
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I don’t recommend it. I ran local AI in my phone before (iPhone but same difference), and just asking it stuff makes it warm up to touch. Battery also takes a hit.
It also messes up multitasking features since it uses up most memory which kills background apps. Phones weren’t designed for this.
Best way is to host it in an actual dedicated machine that can be accessed remotely.
Running an llm on a phone will absolutely destroy your battery life. It also is imperative that you understand that the comfort of ai is bought with killing of innocents (through expediency of climate catastrophe, exploitation of the planet and the poorest on it).
I think using ai to experiment on a home server which already exists wouldnt be problematic IN A VACUUM but you would still normalize using the tech which is morally corrupt.
Not trying to instigate a fight but if you make this argument, I hope you’re also vegan
I mean, ideally yes, everyone would go vegan, but that’s a far bigger lifestyle change than just continuing to not use AI like we’ve done for decades
Oh yeah. So i cant ask for one thing and not do another. Classic bad faith argument. Good try.
I’m not even trying to argue against you, I’m arguing for veganism. The same arguments that you used for why the use of AI is bad can be used for why not being vegan is bad. The production of animal products even has a way bigger impact.
In that case i very much suggest a different approach.
“If that is your take, you will love veganism.”
Btw, i dont eat animal products. Pretty recently too.
Veganism is frequently a cult.
It is not. Eating meat is actually a torture and murder industry and people who eat meat are actually eating pieces of corpses.
Even when I still ate meat, I could understand that morally there is no difference to eating humans.
No need to argue here.
Not only that… The meat industry is poisoning the animals with antibiotics, GMO cereals… they live in 1m2 of space/cow, and living in hell 24/24, feel anger, hate, sadness and treated like shit and pure pain while beaten by humans… It’s horrible !!
And all these things are digested by our body… Ugh ! It’s similar to a concentration camp but for animals…
I could see an argument against industry standards on meat production, but the base argument of veganism is flawed when all these things you list do not occur. And yes, veganism is frequently a cult in my experience. They tend to surround of themselves, assure themselves to each other and avoid discussion of their mindset. AAMOF I was turned off to discuss here, but as I randomly got to know I’m being downvoted, I will engage.
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Eating meat is natural and occurs whether you and I exist or not.
So is killing the top ape in your troop so you get his harem. So is eating the babies of the former troop leader so you free up the female apes to care for your offspring instead of his. Nature is a hellhole and more importantly, isn’t a deity or even a conscious being. It has no morals, nor a will, nor any opinions on how living things should act.
If you’re going to enjoy the comfort of modern technology, especially modern food production technology, the “nature” argument is not applicable because none of the food you eat is remotely natural. You’re welcome to sharpen a stick with your teeth and use your real human hunting skills to get your meat, i.e. chasing down wild animals until they die from exhaustion. Better hope that wild bull with razor sharp horns that weighs three times more than you doesn’t figure out that they can just turn around and attack you head on, because hunting large animals is lethal to the hunter almost as often as it’s lethal for prey. You also better not use any antibiotics if your hunt leaves you wounded, because animals getting slowly and horrifically killed by bacterial infection is natural and occurs whether you and I exist or not. Microbes are your only real predator so you better respect that.
Greenpeace isnt even mainly focused on meat production afaik so no idea where you got that from but its not from then that we get information. You can see this on state tv. I dont know what your point is but i dont think you can prove that.
I know that logical thinking is optional but please go touch grass. Reported.
Literally any lifestyle can become a cult. The presence of vegan cults is because veganism is more popular than ever so evil people exploit that to form cults. There are fitness cults too, does that mean everyone who works out is a cult member?
I assume you know what “frequently” means. Otherwise, do these lifestyles classify people in categorical terms as vegan/meateaters or morally right and wrong?
I am a fan of LLMs and what they can do, and as such have a server specifically for running AI models. However, I’ve been reading “Atlas of AI” by Kate Crawford and you’re right. So much of the data that they’re trained on is inherently harmful or was taken without consent. Even in the more ethical data sets it’s probably not great considering the sheer quantity of data needed to make even a simple LLM.
I still like using it for simple code generation (this is just a hobby to me so Vibe coding isn’t a problem in my scenario) and corporate tone policing. And I tell people non stop that it’s worthless outside of these use cases and maybe as a search engine, but I recommend Wikipedia as a better start almost Everytime.
Not sure if a mobile device have that type of processing power lol
It very much depends on your phone hardware, RAM affects how big models can be and CPU affects how fast you’ll get the replies. I’ve successfully ran 4B models on my 8GB RAM phone, but since it’s the usual server and client setup which needs full internet access due to the lack of granular permissions on Android (Even AIO setups needs open ports to connect to itself) I prefer a proper home server. Which, with a cheap GFX card, is indescribably faster and more capable.
I was honestly impressed with the speed and accuracy I was getting with Deepseek, llama, and Gemma on my 1660ti.
$100 used and it was seconds to get responses.
maid + VPN to Ollama on your own computer.
Use an Onion service with client authorisation to avoid needing a domain or static IP.
I have pocketpal setup on my pixel with graphene os and its pretty awesome. I agree that AI is inherently bad considering the environmental impact and the amount of data that is illegally needed to train AI.
That being said pocketpal is openaoirce and is great. https://github.com/a-ghorbani/pocketpal-ai
You want to run it on the phone itself? I don’t think any phone would be good enough for that. The issue with AI assistants is not just privacy. It’s also the resource consumption (and of course stolen content). It’s so high and only these big companies with huge server farms can do it.
If you just want a voice assistant for simple commands, I’ve heard of an open source local assistant called Dicio. But I don’t think you can talk to it like ChatGPT or something.
I’ve successfully ran small scale LLM’s on my phone, slow but very doable. I run my main AI system on an older, midrange gaming PC. No problems at all.
Dicio is a pre-programmed assistant, which one can talk to if one has speech recognition software installed. It has a preset of tasks it can do, in my experience it’s quite incomparable to how LLM’s work.
